Manny Pacquiao: "The Miguel Cotto Fight is 80% Done"

[Ravishing]

[QUOTE=BraggartKilla;5653727]

Cotto used to be a good boxer but he doesn't have the heart of a real champion. He lost all his previous middle of the road accomplishments when he chicken(ed) out when he fought Margarito.



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That's blasphemy at it's best. Anyone who is a true Boxing fan would disagree with that statement completely.

[Fighting Cougar]

Just sign it or drop it Arum.

Enough ****ing said.

[buckdacious]

Don't forget that you already bet all-in with me. Sorry but your candy will be mine.

how about we do it for all your points because I have more

[buckdacious]

I'll take the Vegas action and put money down on Cotto. He's without question going to be the underdog.

I'll bet you $150 straight up it goes past the 6th

If you lived in Vegas i would take that bet but who really cares. the money is Pac by KO so $2000 wins $10,000!!! Its gonna be a great christmas!!! HAHAHA

[Iceta]

You know damn well that Miguel Cotto ain't fighting Paul Williams.

I don't think he will either, I was just using Paul Williams to call the Cotto fans on their double standards. They cry about Cotto having to drain a couple of pounds, yet Cotto is not willing to get Williams to come down all the way to 147 to fight him.

[GRUSTLER]

emotional? yes.I'm i was in tears when i read your post.i can't deal with the criticism YOU of all people put on miguelito.I'm about to grab some don q rum and jump into a river.

listen, why would you make it your mission to post the bull**** you do, cause people do it to floyd? it's very simple, you wanna know why floyd gets the **** he gets from people? because he's the best, and we expect greatness from him.that's why.everybody has high standards for floyd.hater or fanboy.it doesn't matter.posters like you can't talk about how great floyd is, how no one compares with him, then complain about what others expect from him.

I know Floyd has a lot to accomplish before he is considered an ATG,
that's not my gripe, my problem is that sometimes people forget
certain things about him when critiquing. Yeah, we know he
should have fought Cotto/Mosley/Clottey and so forth but times were
different back then and people were at different places in their
careers PLUS the politics of the business plays a major factor
in how fights get made, we are witnessing it now with Manny/Cotto,
Paul Williams, Clottey, Mosley and many others but all the weight
and pressure falls on Floyd and I don't understand how people continue
to bash this guy at any given moment because of 1 division?

He's been winning in 5. The comp he fought was good but he just
made them look easy so what. I just read so many post where
people twist facts, make things up and catch amnesia when it comes
to Floyd and if people want to discuss Boxing and what has happened
or is happening then lets discuss it instead of making things up.
Floyd career exceeds Cotto's right or wrong? Just because he didn't
fight all the Welters in the division YET does that make him less of
a great fighter? Cotto's career is only 2 divisions, so there is NO
question that he had to fight all them guys consistently.

My point is WW doesn't define who Floyd Mayweather Jr is as a fighter. Manny Pacquiao didn't even stay at 135 and ain't fighting at 140 so
does that make him any less of a great fighter? So what if he's fighting Cotto, Floyd is fighting Marquez....... but it's OK for Cotto to fight lil
Manny but not OK for Floyd to fight JMM? A guy who gave Pac fits
AND who is a lil taller? That's my problem on here. I agree that Floyd should fight some of the guys there but when talking about the man
I just don't think some of the analogies are exact or fair.

[Talisayen]

[QUOTE=Ravishing;5654100]

Cotto used to be a good boxer but he doesn't have the heart of a real champion. He lost all his previous middle of the road accomplishments when he chicken(ed) out when he fought Margarito.



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That's blasphemy at it's best. Anyone who is a true Boxing fan would disagree with that statement completely.

Cotto fanatics sometimes sacrifices their opinion of themselves and try very hard to ignore the truth about the person they considered as an icon. Actually, sometimes you just need to ignore the dim-witted ideas 'cause it's hard for them to accept the truth. They're trying their very best to do the opposite of what their idol did by taking a knee but instead continue fighting with their blinded conviction of a made up champion.

[Iceta]

You said that Cotto never fought a Champion but he fought Margarito who was stripped and Clottey who was stripped as well. It's not his fault that these ****** Organizations won't allow their champions to defend their titles.
Also, Floyd is coming back after 2 years to fight a 130lb. fighter that he made come up to 144 when he calls himself a WW. You don't see nothing wrong with that? I don't see what's the problem with getting "tagged" as you say because the sport is boxing not table tennis. You are there to fight and survive and Cotto has done just that! The only reason Clottey "tagged" him with the right so often is because of the cut caused by that ""ACCIDENTAL"" headbutt. I bet you anything that if Floyd got cut like that, he would've gone to the cards on the 5th rd. knowing he was ahead in the cards which Cotto didn't do and fought his heart out. take the blind fold out of your Floyd-loving eyes man!

How can you bring up Margarito when Cotto didn't even win that fight? And Clottey shouldn't have had that belt in the first place because the Margarito-Cotto fight should have been a unfication match. But like I said, Cotto didn't win that fight. Mayweather ducks opponents, and I don't deny that. But Cotto did let a Paul Williams fight fall through his finger tips when you know damn well that Paul deserved it. The Cotto fans on here do use double standards.

[GRUSTLER]

You said that Cotto never fought a Champion but he fought Margarito who was stripped and Clottey who was stripped as well. It's not his fault that these ****** Organizations won't allow their champions to defend their titles.
Also, Floyd is coming back after 2 years to fight a 130lb. fighter that he made come up to 144 when he calls himself a WW. You don't see nothing wrong with that? I don't see what's the problem with getting "tagged" as you say because the sport is boxing not table tennis. You are there to fight and survive and Cotto has done just that! The only reason Clottey "tagged" him with the right so often is because of the cut caused by that ""ACCIDENTAL"" headbutt. I bet you anything that if Floyd got cut like that, he would've gone to the cards on the 5th rd. knowing he was ahead in the cards which Cotto didn't do and fought his heart out. take the blind fold out of your Floyd-loving eyes man!

You guys just don't get it. My point is that it's OK for people to take up
for their fighters and come up with all excuses on why this and why
that, but when someone points out facts about Floyd specifically then
he doesn't know boxing or is a Floyd lover? What kind of High School
**** is that? I may be vocal about not being impressed by Cotto but
one thing I don't do is make excuses or call people out (Personally)
I just talk about the fighter. Cotto has an impressive resume at
147 in regards to fighting Mosley/Margarito/Clottey but to me, he just
ain't all that great and regardless if Floyd fought him or not, I can tell
that skill wise, Cotto cannot match Floyd and that's the truth. As for
the cut, Who knows if Floyd would have fought till the end but I tell
you one thing, Floyd has fought with a broken hand and a messed up
shoulded in the fight with Castillo and you know what, instead of
taking that close/questionable win, he manned up and gave him an
immediate rematch but nobody seems to remember **** like that
and that's my point.

[prsi]

He didn't lay **** out. all he did is vent his frustration about
why Mayweather didn't fight all these guys that weren't ranked
as high as the guys that Floyd fought at the time. Cotto just
got to 147 when Floyd was fighting there. Mosley was at 154
fighting Vargas when Floyd was getting at him and he chased
Mosley from Lightweight. Clottey was nowhere in the equation
nor Williams and it was either a choice between Margarito or a
potential fight with Oscar De La Hoya and by the way if you don't
remember.........Margarito is a cheat and has BEEN Overrated
since back then. Some of you talk about this and that and don't
look at the big picture and then say we are taking up for Floyd?
These are laid out facts.........All you guys do is say who he should
or should of fought.....Well I can say that about a lot of fighters
but that don't make they scared. And I still can't believe that
people think Cotto (Who always struggles against tough guys
and squeaks by) can beat Floyd Mayweather Jr? Wow. Your
telling me that Floyd is scared of a guy that has only fought in
2 divisions when he has fought in 5 WINNING and DEFENDING
UNDEFEATED for 10 YEARS, when Cotto has NEVER won any
title from any Champion and squeaks by in his best fights?

Gruslter, i have seen all you post and on this thread and how you are defending you point of view and some "facts" that you addressed and let me say this you do a good job at it, even if don't agree with you on the majority but that will be just opinion vs opinions. What i don't get and this has not been ony used by you, is how you downsize Cotto's championships just because they were vacant.

In this boxing era soem of the best career defining fights have been made with out a title even being involved. It more the quality of opponent that you face that rates the boxer. With all these division anybody can be a champion but not averybody can earn the respect by fighting quality opponents.

I beleive a victory over Mosley or Clottey even if it would not be for a title is a more significant victory than beating a Andre Berto for a title.

In this boxing era with all the Ridiculous amount divisions it's not what title you have it's who you have fought.