Was Ali really the greatest?

[RightCross94]

1. Yes, Ali was the greatest... trashtalker. He invented rap.
2. I watched Chambers vs Sam Peter yesterday. Sam Peter (265 lbs!) was as fast as late Ali. Thus Ali was the Sam Peter of the 70ies, except that Ali was a powder puncher.
3. Ali is a featherfist, thus it's wrong that he had power. In his entire heavyweight career Ali scored 11 KOs within 12 rounds.
4. Ali's chin is a questionmark, since there were no hard hitters as nowadays and the hardest hitter (Foreman) was life threatened and probably drugged.
5. Ali was the king of a dire division. I would like to call it "Amongst blind featherfists the one-eyed featherfist is king" but unfortunately this title is already taken by half-blind Frazier (5'11.5'', heavyweight KOratio 50%)
6. His greatest achievement was to NOT rematch Foreman.
7. Except for a few cases his fights are usually a bore to watch: He clinches dirty ("Dirty Clay"), he insults and plays merry-go-round (= floating).
8. He has basically no defense (except merry-go-rounding and dirty clinching) and eats even slowest punches. Modern heavies would finish him within a few rounds.
9. His behaviour outside and inside the ring has often been disgusting.

For some of his most notable wins check my sig.

wow, thanks for enlightening us to those "facts"

sam peters was as fast as ali was he? ali was the sam peter of the 70's....LOL!


what a ****ing joke you are

[knn]

Hmmm you got to remember that ali was 6 years older and 32, back in those days that was pretty old for a fighter. Also that ali was not the same fighter after he came back after a 3 and a half year lay off. But like you say, he won anyway.

You mean, with 32 Ali was past it?

I always love when fans play the age card (mainly if their fighter loses) but willingly add old opponents to the "list of achievements".

If Ali was old at 32 (= younger than Wlad now) then let's delete some fights off Ali's record who were also 32+ (since they, too, have been grandpas at 32):
Archie Moore
Bob Foster
Chuck Wepner
Cleveland Williams
Earnie Shavers
Floyd Patterson
George Chuvalo
Henry Cooper
Ken Norton
Ron Lyle
Sonny Liston
Zora Folley

[knn]

No, he was actually a bum and knn is sure to tell you this.

He only fought old men, half-blinds, featherfists, welterweights, bum beaters and drugged fighters. Never beat anyone worth a damn. Sorry to tell you the "truth".

Ali was neither a bum nor a bum-beater.

[knn]

On a serious note, I myself don't rate him the greatest boxer who ever lived but I entirely agree with George Foreman who said: "Ali was the greatest man to ever box". There is a difference.

Especially since that statement doesn't reveal whether Foreman thinks that Ali was actually a good boxer. Just a nice bro who happened to box.

Here are more quotes from Foreman

• "Ali wasn’t the greatest boxer but he was the greatest man I ever knew."
• "When [Lennox] first came over, people thought he was a joke, the big guy with this stand-up style. But he was as great as any of them, but he will never get the credit because he was not American. For some reason people want Americans to be world heavyweight champion."
• "[Modern Heavies are] equally as good today as ever, but we are missing heroes — the writers deserted us. Once we had (Ernest) Hemingway and (Norman) Mailer. 'Big' George Foreman, 'Smokin' Joe Frazier, writers gave us these names"

[The Drogba]

Ali is the greatest HW of all time. Rocky is the most overrated heavyweight of all time.

[knn]

My point was that he uses a quote from a broke alcoholic as "proof" to denigrate Ali.

Oh, I see: "Kill the messenger not the message". He was broke, so? He drank, so? That broke drunk guy was the trainer of Ali.

Moreover I base my statements on Foreman's words, too:

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5611639#post5611639

[nachorjj]

no in my opinion. problably the best hevi

[StarshipTrooper]

Oh, I see: "Kill the messenger not the message". He was broke, so? He drank, so? That broke drunk guy was the trainer of Ali.

Moreover I base my statements on Foreman's words, too:
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...39#post5611639

Bundini Brown was NOT Ali's trainer. Angelo Dundee was Ali's trainer and Bundini Brown was a hanger-on and resident "court jester".

Poet

[The Hammer]

Ali is the greatest HW of all time, I feel that way because he was a black ****** like me. Rocky is the most overrated heavyweight of all time, I don't like him because he was white.

Hi, Flawless. I thought you said you wouldn't come back again if you had another account banned, but now we have "The Drogba".

[knn]

Bundini Brown was NOT Ali's trainer. Angelo Dundee was Ali's trainer and Bundini Brown was a hanger-on and resident "court jester".

Brown was Ali's trainer (co-trainer) and speech writer ("Float like butterfly"). Brown was co-responsible for some of Ali's dirty acts outside of the ring.

That Ali hang around with this guy is telling, too.