Margarito Says The Weight Will Hurt Cotto With Pacquiao

[rod_serrs]

Why does Paul Williams look like this then? 12 round fight mind you.




Also, how does plaster harden with no oxygen? If it is continuously wet(sweaty hands) and gets little to no air(gauze directly over hands and taped down gloves). How can it harden?

First off plaster hardens when mixed with water (sweat) and hardens as it releases heat. Oxygen gaining entrance is not a factor though oxygen will get in anyway. However, even with or without the plaster Cotto was in deep trouble anyway. Cotto had his nose broken in either the 2nd or 3rd round, well before the supposed plaster hardened. Cotto himself acknowledged that he was fatigued by the time of the stoppage and could not feel his legs under him. The loss was caused early in the fight when Cotto had his nose broken and was breathing in blood and being forced to breath through his mouth. The 7th round was when the fatigue started to really kick in and his defense suffered and he started taking more flush punches. Margarito's nose-breaking punch early and just his nature of fighting are what caused Cotto to lose plaster or not, and I say this because Margarito's punches weren't really hurting Cotto as he wasn't dazed or anything nor did he look like he had serious head injury other than swelling and cuts (both which can be caused without cheating as Cotto does to his opponents). Anyway in summary the early uppercut and Margarito's style spelled disaster that night for Cotto.

[787_PR]

How does it not make sense? He attempted to cheat, yes. Has he cheated? No. Why? No proof he has cheated.

Look at Lujan, which happened way before cotto and Pwill. Look at Clottey and look at Pwill(perfectly fine after 12rnds). Now look at Cotto. Margarito didn't cheat. You can't pick and choose which fight he cheated in. It's either he always cheated or he never did.

From the looks of it. He never did. Unless Margarito says, "yes, I cheated." Until then, he has never cheated.

well hes sure attempted to cheat. Also ok we don't have physical proof, but you can't say he didn't cheat against cotto and be 100% sure cause just cause we dont have proof doesn't mean it didn't or did happen. So wether you like it or not theres still atleast some doubt bout it.

[F l i c k e r]

sadly that's not a majority opinion from boxing fans & media & that incident vs mosley will forever taint his career.

I agree but if he can stay squeeky clean and continue to get big wins. I think it will be forgotten.

Mosley's incident is forgotten. Bernard Hoplins revealing Tito is forgotten. And people still love them.

[rod_serrs]

How does it not make sense? He attempted to cheat, yes. Has he cheated? No. Why? No proof he has cheated.

Look at Lujan, which happened way before cotto and Pwill. Look at Clottey and look at Pwill(perfectly fine after 12rnds). Now look at Cotto. Margarito didn't cheat. You can't pick and choose which fight he cheated in. It's either he always cheated or he never did.

From the looks of it. He never did. Unless Margarito says, "yes, I cheated." Until then, he has never cheated.

The fact is the he tried to, or at least someone tried to. The thing about your theory however is that we don't know exactly when it started. Maybe it started on the night of the Cotto fight when no one from Cotto's locker room was in Margarito's locker room and they saw it as a golden opportunity. If you check your facts also Clottey and P. Will's trainers were most likely watching over the wrapping process like they supposed to. Cotto's camp didn't bother with that, and from what I've read Margarito had already begun to wrap his hands before Mosely's trainer arrived. Coincedence? No opposing trainer equals easier cheating opportunity. Maybe since they got away with it in Cotto's fight they would continue their practice. This is purely hypothetical but can explain the circumstance you listed. I personally don't care since Cotto is past it and is getting his time to shine.

[crillz]

Your right actually....we will never know really.....seriously though, Marg just plain has Cotto's number. I hope the rematch happens sometime, think it will go the same way as last time.

it's not picking and choosing man it's common sense, fighters who do that aren't just going to do it 1 time, he's never been caught before and almost didn't against Mosley if it weren't for Naazim Richardson, it could have been Jack Mosley and it might have passed and Tony would have probably won, either way had he been allowed to carry on with that set of gloves he would have been boosted up with a very big power jump. other guys weren't that smart and probably didn't have their own people looking at how he wraps his hands so when he uses them he looks flawless and when he doesn't he gets KO'ed.. true Shane had a good plan to win but with plaster Shane would have had to show more respect to his "power".'.

since it can't be proven and he wont come out and admit it all we are left with is a fighter with a flawed credibility, how can we trust what he says when regardless of words it was PROVEN in court after examinations that there was an illegal substance in his wraps? he has no more credibility and with a guy like that I wont **** around and say o well it may have only been once when it could very well have been more knowing other guys were sleeping on the hand wrapping process or were more passive and let it go, we were used to thinking that he was earning his wins so we gave him respect but he proved otherwise and you might say I can't prove he did use them but you can't prove he didn't, due to his proven attempt it flaws whatever credibility he had.

and yea he took what Cotto had to give... to his FACE, but had he attacked the body and been more aggressive he would have been more successfulk and comfortable in the fight, OHH right I forgot the ****in cheater had plaster and how are you supposed to remain composed when plaster is smashing you up from the opening bell, Cotto's legs were gone by the 6th because every time Tony hit him plaster was smashing against Cotto' body, you ever take body shots from a guy with plaster in his hands? I'm sure your legs would be out by the first, that is why Cotto's nose broke so early because there was more than just fists in padding hitting him, there was a cheater across the ring and he got away with it and it pisses me off that people want to stand by this guy, he can make money doing other things man Boxing doesn't need a guy like that around, he betrayed us , the fans, with those actions..

[Sorbetero]

this is a good publicity stunt by margarito

[F l i c k e r]

The fact is the he tried to, or at least someone tried to. The thing about your theory however is that we don't know exactly when it started. Maybe it started on the night of the Cotto fight when no one from Cotto's locker room was in Margarito's locker room and they saw it as a golden opportunity. If you check your facts also Clottey and P. Will's trainers were most likely watching over the wrapping process like they supposed to. Cotto's camp didn't bother with that, and from what I've read Margarito had already begun to wrap his hands before Mosely's trainer arrived. Coincedence? No opposing trainer equals easier cheating opportunity. Maybe since they got away with it in Cotto's fight they would continue their practice. This is purely hypothetical but can explain the circumstance you listed. I personally don't care since Cotto is past it and is getting his time to shine.

That goes into the lines of "picking and choosing" when he did or didn't start cheating. Which loses all credibility.

Also, Cotto's camp not checking the wraps is ******ed. Its a trainers job to check wraps. Hell, Freddie had a problem with ODLH using too much gauze. You can't tell me Evangelista didn't check the wraps. It would be completely inconsiderate for a trainer to do so. Then the commission also checks the wraps, for 13 years no one had a problem with the wraps until Mosley? That right there leans to Margarito being innocent and only guilty of attempting to cheat Mosley.

If people want to hate Margarito go ahead. That is them hating with no just cause. But to try to make it seem like he cheated with no evidence. Not even a valid reason for him cheating. Is rediculous and ******.

[wengz2002]

Pac-Cotto at 144 lbs is the Fair...
Pac-Cotto at 145 lbs is Cotto's Advantage...
Pac-Cotto at 143 lbs is Pac's Advantage...

Cotto is naturally 147 pounder!
Pac is naturally 138 pounder!

As you can see, there's a 9 lb difference!
At 144, Cotto just needs 3lbs to come down while Pac needs 6lbs to come up!I really don't see Cotto have problem making the 144lbs. His last fight with Clottey, he came in at 146... and besides Cotto is young and still in his Prime!


If Pac accept the 145 lbs catchweight, I'll be the first one to Salute him~

[fdotorres]

Why does Paul Williams look like this then? 12 round fight mind you.




Also, how does plaster harden with no oxygen? If it is continuously wet(sweaty hands) and gets little to no air(gauze directly over hands and taped down gloves). How can it harden?

sweat = hydrogen + OXYGEN + sodium + chloride

btw, what they found was an already hardened substance, not a soft, malleable substance waiting to get hardened. heck, it even had blood, so he obviously used it before the mosley fight

[rod_serrs]

it's not picking and choosing man it's common sense, fighters who do that aren't just going to do it 1 time, he's never been caught before and almost didn't against Mosley if it weren't for Naazim Richardson, it could have been Jack Mosley and it might have passed and Tony would have probably won, either way had he been allowed to carry on with that set of gloves he would have been boosted up with a very big power jump. other guys weren't that smart and probably didn't have their own people looking at how he wraps his hands so when he uses them he looks flawless and when he doesn't he gets KO'ed.. true Shane had a good plan to win but with plaster Shane would have had to show more respect to his "power".'.

since it can't be proven and he wont come out and admit it all we are left with is a fighter with a flawed credibility, how can we trust what he says when regardless of words it was PROVEN in court after examinations that there was an illegal substance in his wraps? he has no more credibility and with a guy like that I wont **** around and say o well it may have only been once when it could very well have been more knowing other guys were sleeping on the hand wrapping process or were more passive and let it go, we were used to thinking that he was earning his wins so we gave him respect but he proved otherwise and you might say I can't prove he did use them but you can't prove he didn't, due to his proven attempt it flaws whatever credibility he had.

and yea he took what Cotto had to give... to his FACE, but had he attacked the body and been more aggressive he would have been more successfulk and comfortable in the fight, OHH right I forgot the ****in cheater had plaster and how are you supposed to remain composed when plaster is smashing you up from the opening bell, Cotto's legs were gone by the 6th because every time Tony hit him plaster was smashing against Cotto' body, you ever take body shots from a guy with plaster in his hands? I'm sure your legs would be out by the first, that is why Cotto's nose broke so early because there was more than just fists in padding hitting him, there was a cheater across the ring and he got away with it and it pisses me off that people want to stand by this guy, he can make money doing other things man Boxing doesn't need a guy like that around, he betrayed us , the fans, with those actions..

Your absolutley right though we can only speculate. As a Cotto fan however I feel the same way Cotto does. He came out of the fight the ultimate winner. If Margarito cheated it was partially his camps fault, but Margarito goes on to lose his next fight and his license, as well as any money he could have made during this time. Whereas Cotto is 'gifted' a title and then goes on to fight an elite WW and puts on an inspiring ballsy performance as he does just enough to win a big fight against Clottey. And currently Cotto is the grand prize winner in the Pacman Lotto, and Margarito is still clouded as to where he is currently headed as far as fighting a meaningful fight in the US or a stay busy fight in Mexico.