tougher matchup for Floyd, Cotto or JMM??

[apokalips]

Cotto is clearly the tougher match up as he will outweigh Floyd and has a much higher chance of being able to come close to hurting Floyd than JMM plus the fact that JMM has been down a few times means that Floyd is more likely to knock him down and thus more likely to have more 10-8, or better, rounds

[Bushbaby]

To Horus and others :

Cotto is the tougher fight, point blank. Why? Easy and simple as this.

Yes, JMM is P4P better than Cotto and skill-set probably tops Cotto. Horus says "OMGZ SKILLZ PAYZ BILLZ" yes Horus, skills pay bills - BUT Marquez's skill pays his bills in lower weight classes, SON. Cotto is in the weight-class Floyd is, and Cotto is still young.

Marquez is aged, and yes still a tough fighter but MOVING up in weight so late, so please explain to me how JMM is tougher than Cotto at this stage? JMM is unproven at 140+ and aged, so he has disadvantages down the list, alas Cotto is a champion at 147 and we seen what he can do.

I don't see how many can debate this, Cotto is tougher fight - anyone who disagrees needs to go back to common sense school.

I smeel ownage of the mighty floyd defender here!!

[Horus]

dude cotto HITS harder than JMM, he's a BIGGER guy, his YOUNG, on his PRIME, hits hard to the body! and cotto is not a counterpuncher..how do you figure a counterpuncher vs counterpuncher is better than an offensive fighter against a defensive one. COTTO can catch floyd at the ropes and hurt floyd to the body if he tries to lean back. HE is no oscar and he's no hatton. Floyd has been hurt against corley, that even though hes a bum, he also hurt cotto, floyd really hasn't been tested against a prime ( in the same weightclass than him! HATTON was a JR welterweight that can't fight at 147 which can be proven with his stinker fights at the weight and hes always been overrated, only reason floyd fought him was that he sells tickets, ) something floyd can't do ) PRIME dangerous hitter like miguel, that's just a fact right there for you. and fact, the guys that have been beaten by floyd, have been destroyed by miguel, that's just another fact for you right there. cotto is more dangerous than JMM dude, but your a fanboy that if floyd wuld have decided to fight collazo or berto or cintron or any of those bums you would come up with excuses saying why their more worthy than miguel.

your just butthurt that cotto is going to steal floyd's glory by beating pacquiao first.

if because HITS harder , he's a BIGGER guy, his YOUNG, on his PRIME is the case for cotto being a tougher fight for floyd

Than Diego Corrales,Jose Luis Castillo, and Zab Judah should beat Floyd.

also if that is the case.
Then the Oscar of 2007 was and is a tougher fight for Floyd than a Cotto fight ever will be. because that Oscar was bigger, stronger, and had more power than cotto... and Floyd still won that fight.

• Carlos Baldomir showed you that you will need more than size to beat floyd
• Deigo Corralles showed you that you will need more than power to beat floyd
• Oscar De la hoya showed you that you will need more than size and power to beat floyd.

Remember in 2005 and 2006 when People like Bob arum and Cotto camp said Cotto was too green to fight Mayweather.
Remember why they said


Whats change in cotto style since 2005 and 2006? When he wasnt ready for Mayweather and people were calling him green?

he still

1. Swings wide,
2. Waste Punches,
3. has a weak chin
4. Cant stop straight right hands or uppercuts,
5. and is under progressing in the lateral movement department.

and this is when he said he was still green....????
what did he improve??? to say
"Cotto is the toughest fight for floyd stylistically" ...what did he improve..?


Cotto has always had a good jab, cotto has always had good speed....Cotto is a good fighter...real good...he is a good body puncher and works hard..
so that hasnt change...

so what change so much that he is now ready to beat a fighter like mayweather...?


So once again Can you explain to me how stylistically Cotto is a tougher fight for Mayweather rather than JMM...

when stylistically JMM does everything better than Cotto..

JMM is a better fighter than Cotto period.
the only advantage Cotto has on JMM is Size and maybe Power.

But John Ruiz had more size and power than Tarver and he lost to Roy Jones and Tarver beat roy jones...

need I continue?

[Pullcounter]

if because HITS harder , he's a BIGGER guy, his YOUNG, on his PRIME is the case for cotto being a tougher fight for floyd

Than Diego Corrales,Jose Luis Castillo, and Zab Judah should beat Floyd.

also if that is the case.
Then the Oscar of 2007 was and is a tougher fight for Floyd than a Cotto fight ever will be. because that Oscar was bigger, stronger, and had more power than cotto... and Floyd still won that fight.

• Carlos Baldomir showed you that you will need more than size to beat floyd
• Deigo Corralles showed you that you will need more than power to beat floyd
• Oscar De la hoya showed you that you will need more than size and power to beat floyd.

Remember in 2005 and 2006 when People like Bob arum and Cotto camp said Cotto was too green to fight Mayweather.
Remember why they said


Whats change in cotto style since 2005 and 2006? When he wasnt ready for Mayweather and people were calling him green?

he still

1. Swings wide,
2. Waste Punches,
3. has a weak chin
4. Cant stop straight right hands or uppercuts,
5. and is under progressing in the lateral movement department.

and this is when he said he was still green....????
what did he improve??? to say
"Cotto is the toughest fight for floyd stylistically" ...what did he improve..?


Cotto has always had a good jab, cotto has always had good speed....Cotto is a good fighter...real good...he is a good body puncher and works hard..
so that hasnt change...

so what change so much that he is now ready to beat a fighter like mayweather...?


So once again Can you explain to me how stylistically Cotto is a tougher fight for Mayweather rather than JMM...

when stylistically JMM does everything better than Cotto..

JMM is a better fighter than Cotto period.
the only advantage Cotto has on JMM is Size and maybe Power.

But John Ruiz had more size and power than Tarver and he lost to Roy Jones and Tarver beat roy jones...

need I continue?

Good point, but all that is render utterly irrelevant considering floyd himself said a small man could never beat him and therefore only someone of equal or larger size can beat him by default.

[BlackSilk]

Can you explain to me how stylistically Cotto is a tougher fight for Mayweather rather than JMM...

when stylistically JMM does everything better than Cotto..

thats all i want to know....



how does refurnishing boats make a good investment? your a ******.

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=269100&highlight=bullet+bill

Go to that thread...and figure it out

JMM is all around better fighter than Cotto. Your question is not going to get answer because it can't. In the skill department, JMM has it over Cotto.

[mathed]

It has to be Cotto. He is a big puncher and he pressures most of the fime unless hurt which I think will bother Money. Too much pressure while JMM is a smaller guy naturally and will allow Floyd to work a little more because of his counter puncher style.

[Iceta]

I'm not a Mayweather fan at all by any stretch, and I think Juan Manuel Marquez is a tougher match up for Floyd and would even beat Cotto head-to-head regardless of size. Those uppercuts would find the target over and over again. He also would've beaten Clottey a lot more convincingly than Cotto did. He would use his uppercuts to split Clottey's guard. The uppercut is the best punch against an ear muff defense. Paul Williams showed that against Winky Wright. Why don't people have the ability to analyze styles of fighters? Marquez also has balls Cotto lacks when it comes to calling Mayweather out.

[Horus]

stylistically? I asked who's a tougher matchup, not who's a better matchup style wise.

Let me explain something to you since I assumed anyone with a brain would understand that easily Cotto is the harder matchup.



JMM a LIGHTWEIGHT is coming from 135, he's never even fought at 140, but he's going to fight Mayweather at 144? Right there is already an advantage for Floyd, who's last fights were at 147, 154. Who knows what itll be at fight night.

Cotto at 147 isnt a chump like you believe. Cotto only has 1 loss against Margarito, and alot of people are calling that loss an asterik.

Again, Cotto is 147. A Welterweight match. A fight at 147 is tougher than a catchweight 144 against the much smaller JMM. Stylistically it isnt going to matter, as JMM isnt worlds better than Cotto P4P, maybe just slightly.

not to Diss JMM, but he did lose to Chris John. How does that make him a much better fighter than Cotto? Especially in a straight up match. cotto nears in 160 fight night, JMM, 144 -146, TOPS. This isnt even mentioning how JMM gets knocked down by lower class weights and Cotto has a pretty good chin, at WELTERWEIGHT.


This shouldnt even be a debate. Look at the poll. I still cant believe anyone is actually trying to argue this.

1. What does floyd weigh on fight night
2. What division and where has majority of floyd fights taken place?
3. John Ruiz had more size and power than Tarver and he lost to Roy Jones and Tarver beat roy jones...
4. You are saying Cotto is a better matchup base on size not skill, but who is close in size Floyd Mayweather and Juan Marquez ....when
90% of Mayweather career has been at 135 and under...90% !!!!
what does that meaned to you guys????

Context
The WW Division

Cotto's: 2nd Division
Margarito's: 2nd Division
Shane Mosley: 3rd Division
Andre Berto: 2nd Division (1st:160)
Joshua Clottey:1st Division
Kermit Cintron: 1st Division
Paul Williams:2nd Division (1st:160)
CarlosQuintana:1st Division
Floyd Mayweather 4th Division

The welterweight division is floyd's 4th Divison and would be JMM 5th..

Name 1 welterweight floyd is bigger then??


With this said...dont act JMM is fighting a Margarito type welterweight
Juan M. Marquez is fighting Floyd Mayweather a blown up Lightweight. and the smallest welterweight in the division.

See the problem is people got used to floyd fighting bigger fighters all the time, that when he fights somebody his own size or smaller therE is now a problem...

[Heru]

JMM is better overall and has more skills, but Cotto is bigger and isn't a slouch himself in the skills department.

[Mojita]

if because HITS harder , he's a BIGGER guy, his YOUNG, on his PRIME is the case for cotto being a tougher fight for floyd

Than Diego Corrales,Jose Luis Castillo, and Zab Judah should beat Floyd.

also if that is the case.
Then the Oscar of 2007 was and is a tougher fight for Floyd than a Cotto fight ever will be. because that Oscar was bigger, stronger, and had more power than cotto... and Floyd still won that fight.

• Carlos Baldomir showed you that you will need more than size to beat floyd
• Deigo Corralles showed you that you will need more than power to beat floyd
• Oscar De la hoya showed you that you will need more than size and power to beat floyd.

Remember in 2005 and 2006 when People like Bob arum and Cotto camp said Cotto was too green to fight Mayweather.
Remember why they said


Whats change in cotto style since 2005 and 2006? When he wasnt ready for Mayweather and people were calling him green?

he still

1. Swings wide,
2. Waste Punches,
3. has a weak chin
4. Cant stop straight right hands or uppercuts,
5. and is under progressing in the lateral movement department.

and this is when he said he was still green....????
what did he improve??? to say
"Cotto is the toughest fight for floyd stylistically" ...what did he improve..?


Cotto has always had a good jab, cotto has always had good speed....Cotto is a good fighter...real good...he is a good body puncher and works hard..
so that hasnt change...

so what change so much that he is now ready to beat a fighter like mayweather...?


So once again Can you explain to me how stylistically Cotto is a tougher fight for Mayweather rather than JMM...

when stylistically JMM does everything better than Cotto..

JMM is a better fighter than Cotto period.
the only advantage Cotto has on JMM is Size and maybe Power.

But John Ruiz had more size and power than Tarver and he lost to Roy Jones and Tarver beat roy jones...

need I continue?

Ok...

So JMM has a better skillset than Cotto, but what your missing is the most important part that you seem to be purposedly neglecting is..

JMM is 35 now, and moving up in weight.

What's skill when you can't use it effectly anymore? Ok I think most people agree whos better skill-wise but if you can't use it right at increased weight who's the tougher fight now?