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does he even speak english?
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Give Atlas a chance.
I don't think much will come of this, Teddy likely won't get along too well with Povetkin, but you never know. That's why he is being tried out. Atlas is there for a reason and it's probably because Povetkin's management feels that he is still too amateurish which is something that Povetkin has been criticized for.
Atlas does have knowledge and he was taught by D'Amato who was the best at handling fighters like Povetkin. Think of Mike Tyson, Floyd Patterson and Jose Torres.Comment
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I believe you are quite right, Tyson was about 15, and the story is that he paid unwelcome attentions to Teddy's niece, and Teddy threatened to shoot him. If I had a dollar for every kid who shows that he fancies a girl, I'd be a billionaire, and Tyson of course apart from being a quickly maturing kid, had very few "people" skills at that time. His upbringing mitigated against him. Teddy's actions showed that he himself was highly intemperate and "gung-ho macho", partly, I believe, because he himself was barely out of the "kid" period of his life. I think that D'Amato knew what he was doing when he told Teddy to depart. I also believe that Teddy was "supervising" the very young Tyson for only a few weeks.
Even today he cannot keep the rancor from his very voluble TV comments. A large part of his public reputation, I believe, is BECAUSE he was associated with the very young Tyson, which conferred on him an undeserved kind of "glory". There was a time when Teddy was being hailed as Tyson's coach and tutor, until someone actually enquired into the situation and gave us the true facts.
He reminds me in that way of Carmen Basilio who, to this very day bears Sugar Ray Robinson -who as we all know, is long gone- considerable ill will, because of the bumpy negotiations that Robinson initiated for their last fight.Comment
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It's kind of funny because Im watching Briggs career fights right now & unless teddy atlas has a twin he's been with Briggs since his start.I only got as far back as his 13th fight & atlas is his trainer.
Shannon Briggs was undefeated (24-0) when Atlas started working with him, but soon afterwards had his first loss, after which Teddy quit.
Povetkin is undefeated now, but will soon have his first loss if he works with Atlas.
Teddy Atlas is a terrible trainer. And he's a mentally unstable born loser who always screws up.Comment
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I've often critisized his commentary(real estate,I sign a contract bull****)for repeating himself & rambling on but I have seen him call more upsets on espn than anyone else.his fight plan is right on most of the time & I enjoy his new scoring meter.one thing he excels at is reading body language.the only predictions I ever see him get wrong are vs the klits.he'll pick butterbean to beat them.I disagree with people who say he's a losing trainer.he's a broadcaster & it's his job to tell the dirt & talk about the negative stuff.if he wasn't insightful he wouldn't be on the show anymore.teddy is not a finisher(I mean a guy who comes into a fighters career half way through).he needs to be there from the start so he can implement a work ethic into a boxer.kirk Johnson had good success until legal troubles outside the ring hurt him.as soon as Briggs started having success he got ****y,complacent,& was to busy acting& making rap CDs to train.as I said before he wanted Briggs to forget all that other stuff & dedicate himself 100% to boxing & Briggs refused & he got rocked by Wilson.Briggs fought at a solid 230 under teddy but ballooned after he was gone.same with Johnson,moorer,grant was never the same after the lewis fight & teddy took him on as a reclamation project & was very hard on grant for being a slacker.he had the tools but didn't work hard enough & teddy warned him several times to pick it up but he couldn't & what did grant do after? Nothing! Actually teddy suggested to grant he should quit boxing because his heart wasn't in it.he was right.Tyson time was so short it made no impact.moorer just was a slacker.look at him in Holyfield 2 he was way overweight & he quit on teddy.teddy is the ONLY reason moorer won a title.he told moorer even after they parted ways that he too should quit but he didn't & tua dropped him in 20 seconds.he's alot better than people give him credit for.many guys he's trained always gave teddy credit for any later success they had.especially Briggs.remember he picked these guys off the street & gave them opportunities that no regular person would give them.like I said he's not a finisher like emanuel steward but he's the perfect guy to install a work ethic early in a guys career.povetkin is only 17 fights in so I'm sure he can help some.Comment
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Altlas never trained anybody that was great, the article is wrong atlas, didn't give up on Tyson, maybe the others, Atlas was an assistant trainer of Tyson in the ameturs. Damato and Ronney were Tyson's real trainers, i think Atlas is a good trainer, but do not think he will improve Povetkin, Povetkin loses to the Klitschko's no matter what.Comment
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Atlas's shining moment as a trainer was the first Moorer-Holyfield fight, but Moorer didn't even listen to Atlas in the corner. Atlas would plead with Moorer and Moorer went out and slept walk even more. He was cautious after taking that 2nd rd spill from a Holyfield left hook. Even Jim Lampley commented that Moorer was gonna get yelled at some more from Atlas because he was fighting so passively.
Atlas hasn't had much success at the highest level with his fighters. If he was this master motivator like people say, wouldn't his fighters actually show it with him in the corner? Briggs, with another trainer, fought his heart out against Lewis. He fell apart against Wilson with Atlas in the corner. Moorer slept walk against Holyfield with Atlas in the corner and didn't listen to simple instructions that cost him the title in his next fight. Atlas would pull out the dramatics in the corner and Moorer would still fight lazy. With other trainers in the corner, Moorer fought his heart out against the likes of Cooper (Steward), and the rematch with Holyfield (Roach).
Maybe Atlas will have some success in the future, but his track record doesn't inspire much confidence.Last edited by Thread Stealer; 07-01-2009, 09:31 PM.Comment
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I don't know what way amateurs are trained nowadays, but in my time the trainer would operate as a gym teacher, putting everyone through several rounds of skipping to start for warming up purposes, then selecting certain guys for the bags and others for sparring, where he would keep a close eye on making the fighters do what he would instruct them to do, with the last couple of rounds "ad lib". The last 30 minutes would be exercises, then off to the showers.
The way this conversation about Teddy Atlas and Tyson is evolving, it's as if Tyson was Teddy's sole and only charge. I'm pretty certain that this is not true, that Teddy did more bucket and wraps carrying in the short time he was with D'Amato, than supervising even kids training. Teddy was no sort of a fighter, I read once that he's had only a small handful of fights, and did poorly enough to give up actual fisticuffs. No harm or shame in that, since 90% of the famous boxing journalists and writers have had no actual fight experioence other that a "scrap" in the schoolyard. Doesn't prevent them from handing down speculation as fact, from "on high", and discussing very learnedly about styles, tactics strategies and the way to become World Champion.............
WHY SHOULD TEDDY BE ANY DIFFERENT???Comment
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Good post.
Here's a video where Atlas lets it slip he doesn't like Russian fighters:
I feel sad for Povetkin.Comment
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