About Floyd Mayweather...................

[Chuckguy]

We are talking about boxing skills, even Ray Charles can tell you Fraud is better then Pac.

Beating a washed up fighters does not make you the best of the decade, sorry it just doesn't work like that.

Man you are delusional
you dont get to be the best based on skill. Its about fighting the toughest opposition. Floyd is far from that. Manny beats him easily there.
Floyd isnt even the most skilled of his own era
that goes hands down by a landslide to Roy Jones Jr.
Ok maybe Im exagerrating but Roy beats him talent wise.
Lets see Floyd fight tough opposition when he is in his late 30's then we can talk

[Chuckguy]

So Floyd is ducking Cotto and Mosley one day, but then on another day you favor him to beat them?

You say "incredibly" favored over them meaning you do slightly favor Mayweather to win over Cotto and Mosley? You know when you say a fighter is ducking another fighter, you're accusing that fighter of being scared of that other fighter he;s avoiding, because he would lose to that fighter. That's what ducking is all about. But, you favor Floyd over two fighters he is allegedly 'ducking'?

My main question is this, when you say Floyd is ducking fighter A, but you favor Floyd to beat fighter A, do you mean Floyd is ducking a win over this fighter A?

Ducking: avoiding a loss.

In conclusion, you don't make any sense, what so ever.

Hey do you need hooked on phonics or do I need glasses
cause he never mentions Floyd ducking anyone in that post
you are bringing **** in from beyond left field
quit playing in the parking lot bro
stay on point

[MACAQUEINBLACK]

he has already more than usurped floyd. floyd has not beaten or fought an hof fighter in or around their prime. manny has 2, arguably 3.

When you stack all factors up it's arguable and pretty close to call IMO.

you sound ****** cotto is nowhere near the best welterweight right now. you forgot his destruction at the hands of margarito

and you conviently forgot how mosley just koed margarito..right now shane is the best welterweight not cotto and not pac.

and you say pac is fighting a beast in cotto, did cotto look like an unstoppable beast when he was running from mosley, clottey and margarito

get your facts straight cotto just got a gift over a real beast in clottey and pac is avoiding the best fighters again, who just happen to be black.

no guzman at 130, no campbell at 135, no bradley at 140, no mosley at 47, definitely not a coincodence. best of this era don't make me laugh

I forgot nothing, being that I predicted that beatdown.


Cotto is the best guy currently plying his trade as welterweight,

Williams isn't there and is busy transcending weight-classes right now. Tony (sadly) doesn't count for much until he he comes back and blows away that question mark hanging over his head. Shane is the only real rival to Cotto for best 147lb guy out there. All taken into account, Cotto is the man in the 147 pack as it stands.

But it's only you, and you're thick as pig****, so I don't really need to go on.

[Walt Liquor]

[QUOTE=Man In Black;5608936]When you stack all factors up it's arguable and pretty close to call IMO.

We agree to disagree. I don't think they are that close anymore. Floyd had a great career at 130 and 135 and left about as many questions as Pac did before 130. SInce, floyd really has accomplished very little, with Judah being his best win. Since 2002 Pac beat JMM, drew with JMM, beat Barrera and Morales. Far superior to Floyd's resume, actually, they are better wins that anything on Floyd's resume. you can argue that one of Floyd's wins is on par with those wins.

sure floyd was beating solid guys and legitimate threats WAY back in the day 98-02, but where are the HOF guys on his resume (please don't tell me oscar because then I an't take you seriously any more).

If he has any HOF'ers they are borderline. Barrera, JMM, and Morales stroll right in, as does Floyd and Manny.

[MACAQUEINBLACK]

^^^^^^^ LOL

Why would I care if you take me seriously?


I have no problem agreeing to disagree. But if you want a convo with people, it usually helps to not make it a polemic from the start.


This **** is too overplayed already to get into any protracted pissing-match over, anyway, for no more reward at the end of it than ever (which is nil). Have fun.

[Ravishing]

I've been saying that, very ****** to say an elite fighter fears another.

I don't think Floyd is "literally" scared to fight a Cotto or Mosley for the sake of him being hurt. But I do believe he sees those guys as a bigger risk than say a JMM or even Pacquiao.

Floyd relies heavily on that "0". Even if Floyd loses a close fight to a Cotto or Mosley, his entire persona of being obnoxious and self-centered "because" he's undefeated goes right down the toilet, he somewhat becomes a mortal in the world of Boxing.

Does he fear Cotto, Pac, or Mosley? Naaahhh

Does he fear losing? Absolutely...

[Burner]

THe problem is, Pac has proven himself beyond 140lbs...

Even though it is Floyd, a great fighter... if he dismantles JMM, most people will look to the fact that he was unproven past 135... and damn near taken out by Juan Diaz...

People forget Juan Diaz almost had him out of there twice, JMM pulled through with a great victory so credit to him..

I suppose to answer your question, if that were to happen I would no longer question any ring rust from Floyd, as it will still take him being on point to "Gatti" JMM...

He would be p4p #2 IMO

If he Gattis JMM after a two year layoff...I agree hes clearly number 2.

The Cotto/Pac winner would be number 1 which sets up a 1 vs. 2 showdown.

Great for boxing.

[Walt Liquor]

^^^^^^^ LOL

Why would I care if you take me seriously?


I have no problem agreeing to disagree. But if you want a convo with people, it usually helps to not make it a polemic from the start.


This **** is too overplayed already to get into any protracted pissing-match over, anyway, for no more reward at the end of it than ever (which is nil). Have fun.

don't be sensitive. I was trying to have a discussion.

heard about overplayed and I agree.

what is a polemic?

[Brandish]

I forgot nothing, being that I predicted that beatdown.


Cotto is the best guy currently plying his trade as welterweight,

he lost to margarito so he aint the best period.

Williams isn't there and is busy transcending weight-classes right now. Tony (sadly) doesn't count for much until he he comes back and blows away that question mark hanging over his head. Shane is the only real rival to Cotto for best 147lb guy out there. All taken into account, Cotto is the man in the 147 pack as it stands.

sorry but margartoio doesn't have a question mark over his head cotto does, or are you trying to forget that margartio destroyed cotto and mosely destroyed margartio.

right now shane is the @1 welterwight since he beat margarito who ws the #1 welterwight when he beat cotto who was the #1 welterweight until margarito got his hands on him.

But it's only you, and you're thick as pig****, so I don't really need to go on.

just face it pac is ducking the best fighter at 147 who just happens to be black and cotto just got a gift over clottey so the fight with pac is a garbage fight and won't be to determione the best at 147.

[IMDAZED]

he lost to margarito so he aint the best period.




sorry but margartoio doesn't have a question mark over his head cotto does, or are you trying to forget that margartio destroyed cotto and mosely destroyed margartio.

right now shane is the @1 welterwight since he beat margarito who ws the #1 welterwight when he beat cotto who was the #1 welterweight until margarito got his hands on him.




just face it pac is ducking the best fighter at 147 who just happens to be black and cotto just got a gift over clottey so the fight with pac is a garbage fight and won't be to determione the best at 147.

While I have no arguments with those who place Shane #1 at 147, your triangle logic is a little flawed. Yes Cotto lost to Margarito who lost to Shane but...didn't Shane lose to Cotto? Plus, I think Cotto's opposition at 147 these past couple of years (Clottey, for instance) gives him as much a claim to #1, if not more.