Who is more skilled? Wladimir or Mikkel?

[S A M U R A I]

Kessler went 12 rounds with Dimitri Sartison. Sartison, yes in his prime, still is a terrible fighter.

Still even Wlad being overly cautious still doesn't prove that he is a smaller puncher then Kessler, which is what we are disagreeing about right?

Not really bro. Look at the thread title and the first post from Riz. It's nothing to do with being a bigger puncher, we are talking about overall skills. Bat mentioned Kessler being P4P a better puncher, and I don't think it's too far-fetched.

Plenty of fighters are terrible but tough and can take a lot of hammer before they crumble. Sartison still got knocked out anyway, but he needed to be broken down first. Sartison had never been KO'd before.

Another example is Andrade. He has a great chin. Another less-than-technically-impressive but tough cookie right there. He was undefeated, so it's not a bad win for Kess. Andrade was completely outboxed by Bute but ended up turning the fight around and almost KO'd him. Dude is strong as an ox and has proved that he can be made to look completely amateur, but he has the ability to come on late and keep applying pressure until the final bell. Tough fighter.



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[rizkybizness]

Agree.



Prime Rahman: Lewis via brutal KO 4.

Shot Rahman: Wlad via boredom T/KO 7.


Come on now, people.

sad but true

what can we do, eh?

i still tune in to watch wlad fight, even though i know im not going to see anything but jabs and caution LOL

[S A M U R A I]

sad but true

what can we do, eh?

i still tune in to watch wlad fight, even though i know im not going to see anything but jabs and caution LOL

Same, Riz. I tune into pretty much any fight that's going down, though.

Personally I would much, much (I can't stress this enough!) rather watch a Kessler fight than a Wlad fight.



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[warp1432]

Not really bro. Look at the thread title and the first post from Riz. It's nothing to do with being a bigger puncher, we are talking about overall skills. Bat mentioned Kessler being P4P a better puncher, and I don't think it's too far-fetched.

So being entertaining is a skill? I don't see what him being overly cautious with Rahman has to do with anything.

You could argue that Kessler has better "skills", but Wlad is a better fighter, even if over cautious imo.

[rizkybizness]

Same, Riz. I tune into pretty much any fight that's going down, though.

Personally I would much, much (I can't stress this enough!) rather watch a Kessler fight than a Wlad fight.

im guilty of that as well

im a fookan boxing junkie, although it has been brought to my attention that i mostly talk non boxing **** around here (i.e. , ****in around, etc)
but i LOVE the sport. i always tune into boxing

as a matter of fact, i finished watching "step brothers" was tryin to find some nirvana music videos and accidently turned on showtime. they showed peter-toney I. i sat down and watched it

[S A M U R A I]

So being entertaining is a skill? I don't see what him being overly cautious with Rahman has to do with anything.

You could argue that Kessler has better "skills", but Wlad is a better fighter, even if over cautious imo.

No, being entertaining isn't a skill, but it's a bonus. Where the hell did I say it was a skill!!?

Entertainment is created naturally from a fighter being technically skilled, showing some variation, or just being plain willing to get in there and fight. A fighter can be limited as hell but still be entertaining.

Wlad isn't entertaining to a lot of us because he doesn't show variation and has no killer instinct.



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[Klitschko2011]

Agree.



Prime Rahman: Lewis via brutal KO 4.

Shot Rahman: Wlad via boredom T/KO 7.


Come on now, people.

Two can play that game

Lewis won a close controversial decision over Ray Mercer

Wlad dominated and destroyed Mercer in 6 rounds, he was the first man to knockdown and KO the iron chinned Mercer.

Wlad destroyed Rahman

Lewis got KTFO by Rahman

[Welter_Skelter]

Kessler is more accomplished offensively in that he throws more variety.. Wlad is better defensively

I give the edge to Wlad..

[S A M U R A I]

Two can play that game

This is not a game. This is the Internet!

PS: I respect the fact that you're all about the K Bros, I have no problem with it and I don't like to seem as though I'm disrespecting your fav fighter, however, I don't see my views on Wlad being changed anytime soon. I have really tried hard to enjoy his performances, but it's kinda like trying to get a boner for a girl I just don't dig the look of.



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[JACK D. RIPPER]

put aside all biases and put aside career accomplishments

who has more talent? and whos the better overall package?

dont forget to vote

Kessler is better in all departments aside from power obviously. Better footwork, ring generalship, defense, combination punching and overall technique.

Kessler throws beautiful combo's where as all Wlad does is jab and jab and jab and jab and maybe, if were lucky, by sometime around the 6th or 7th round he starts to throw the right hand.
Whoop dee doooo.