Clottey and his fans really have no right to ***** about the decision

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  • Smunoz
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    #41
    As a Cotto fan this is a bittersweet "victory" for Miguel. Obviously the first round kd help him a lot, and the fact that Clottey do not seal the deal in the final rounds save him. The positive side of this is that Miguel never give up and do his best under the worst circumstances. It show me that he has heal from the Marg devastation.

    But in the negative part, he still makes the same mistakes from the Marg fight. He doesnt recognize that clinch some times is the best option. Some times he just continue to move side by side and getting in to the ropes with his hands down like he was Roy Jones in his prime or something like hes not. For this he gets hit for free and he yet doesnt learn from it. He has a pretty good defence but only when he is in the middle of the ring and with his guard up. * Another thing is that he needs with urgency that know how to take those upper cuts from his face. So he has a lot of work to do, he has the skills but sometimes makes bad decitions in fight night especially with top opponents that if he doesnt do thing diferently it going to cost him in the hear future.

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    • Patheticfraud?
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      #42
      Originally posted by The_Bringer
      I never once said Cotto looked spectactular in there. Infact, I said there were times were he looked downright abysmal.

      But for fuck's sake, argue this.....

      Clottey had an injured man infront of him for 9 rounds, who was looking subpar and doubtful of his own abilities at times.

      And he never even tried to take him out.


      I'm not the smartest man on the planet by any means, but I do know this much :

      If you put me in a situation where I'm fighting a top talent in any weight division, in his own backyard, infront of biased crowd of 20,000 of his supporters, in a fight that he's expected to win, on the evening of one of his people's most celebrated days. I'm bringing it.

      I'd be damned if I'd let a fight that close slip through my fingers by allowing him to take any round, let alone the closing round.

      I'd also be damned if I let him off the hook multiple times when I had already had him cut wide open and doubting himself.
      I see you bought into the HBO brainwashing. Cotto looked like **** and should have lost the fight. Clottey should have won. That's all he had to do. You can't say he needed to do more when he did enough to win. Everybody agrees Cotto looked terrible. He won because it was another fixed fight.

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      • Dirk Diggler UK
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        #43
        Im a Clottey fan and Im pissed at him not the decision.

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        • ßringer
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          #44
          Originally posted by Patheticfraud?
          I see you bought into the HBO brainwashing. Cotto looked like **** and should have lost the fight. Clottey should have won. That's all he had to do. You can't say he needed to do more when he did enough to win. Everybody agrees Cotto looked terrible. He won because it was another fixed fight.
          HBO brainwashing my ass.

          There was nothing fixed about that fight.

          It was very close, hotly contested, highly dramatic, and every round counted.

          Unfortunately for Clottey, the round he gave away was the round that sealed his loss on most people's scorecards.

          **** happens.

          Time for a rematch.

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          • Pugilistic™
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            #45
            Originally posted by street bully
            Well its obvious now that he can not. He doesn't clinch with these guys because they are stronger then him, and he will get tired in the clinches. Also I don't prefer or favor one over the other, and I saw Clottey winning that fight, people are putting too much into the last round, what about the other 11. I score rounds by ring generalship, clean punching, effective aggression, and based on who is doing damage to opponents, and you have to admit Clottey was ahead in each category, Cotto's flurries at the end of rounds after he would lose the first two mins didn't impress me. I had it 115-112 for Clottey.

            I'm not gonna make out Cotto clearly won or anything because he didn't but i do feel he won (7 rounds to 5) but your making out Clottey clearly won most of the rounds which in reality he only clearly won rounds 7, 8 and 9. The other rounds were pretty close. The problem for Clottey in the close rounds was he was less active than Cotto even though he was landing the cleaner and more damaging blows, In some rounds he was happy with just covering up and allowing Cotto to get his shots off. he also allowed Cotto to steal the last three rounds, Cotto wasn't impressive in these rounds but Clottey looked even worse imo.

            Close fight either way and i hope there is a rematch.

            if there is a rematch, hopefully a cut doesn't occur.

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            • Smunoz
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              #46
              As a Cotto fan this is a bittersweet "victory" for Miguel. Obviously the first round kd help him a lot, and the fact that Clottey do not seal the deal in the final rounds save him. The positive side of this is that Miguel never give up and do his best under the worst circumstances. It show me that he has heal from the Marg devastation.

              But in the negative part, he still makes the same mistakes from the Marg fight. He doesnt recognize that clinch some times is the best option. Some times he just continue to move side by side and getting in to the ropes with his hands down like he was Roy Jones in his prime or something like hes not. For this he gets hit for free and he yet doesnt learn from it. He has a pretty good defence but only when he is in the middle of the ring and with his guard up. * Another thing is that he needs with urgency that know how to take those upper cuts from his face. So he has a lot of work to do, he has the skills but sometimes makes bad decitions in fight night especially with top opponents that if he doesnt do thing diferently it going to cost him in the hear future.

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              • MANGLER
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                #47
                Flash KD in the 1st and an inactive 12th cost Clottey the title imo.

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                • Pullcounter
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                  #48
                  Originally posted by The_Bringer
                  I had Cotto winning 115-112.

                  But I don't see how Clottey and his fans can ***** about the decision, other than just disliking Cotto.

                  Clottey had an injured man infront of him almost all night, who was on the backfoot and looking for time to rest.
                  yep, if clottey can't stop a one-eyed cotto he didn't deserve to win. seriously, cotto was begging to be stopped. it was the margo fight all over again, but clottey ain't no margo.

                  Instead of going after him and chopping him down like he should have, Clottey did what he aways does, and he let Cotto off of the hook.
                  yep, clottey needed to be a killer. he was way too cautious.

                  The same way he let Corrales and Judah off of the hook when he had them in trouble.
                  yep, clottey can't shift to a higher gear.

                  Ontop of that, he pissed away the last 2 rounds by literally doing nothing.
                  yep, that was ****ing disappointing as hell.

                  Therefore his argument of being robbed goes right out the window, because had he actually fought hard the last 2 rounds, he might have had a case for being robbed.
                  yep, plus the fact that he got knocked down by a ****in jab meant he was below on points from the jump. that fool needed the 12th to win.

                  As it is, he let Cotto off the hook numerous times, and let him take the final 2 rounds to seal his victory.
                  it wasn't just that. clottey would chase cotto to the ropes "a la Margo", then he'd just wait on cotto. Clottey needed to be alot busier when cotto was sitting on the ropes. he needed to put the hurt on cotto, but instead, he just stared at cotto, waiting to counterpunch. what a douche.

                  Now, about Cotto.....

                  He still can't fight going backwards for ****.
                  it was fine, but his dumb ass sat on the ropes again. this biitch doesn't learn from mistakes. a more determined fighter would work his ass on the ropes and hurt him.

                  Last night was very Margarito-like in the way Cotto kept on the backfoot, retreated to the ropes, and allowed himself to be battered rather than clinching his opponet.
                  yep, same old cotto. he didn't learn nothing from the margo fight.
                  If Clottey had more pop in his punches, or just more overall determination ; the outcome woould've been Margarito all over again.
                  yep, cotto was there for the taking but clottey sux.

                  That said, he showed me some balls and heart in there last night the way he fought through that nasty cut all night long rather than quit on his stool, take a knee, or look for any other way out.
                  true, but clottey didn't do enough to force cotto to really want to quit.

                  He's redeemed himself for the Margarito quitting IMO,
                  I never comdemned him for quitting against margo... he did what he had to do for his health and his family. cotto gave 100% against marg, but it wasn't good enough. can't ask anymore than that.

                  but he really needs to learn how to clinch people,
                  no, he needs better defense.

                  or find a more effective way of fighting while on the backfoot.
                  he needs to potshot more often.
                  Otherwise history is doomed to repeat itself yet again in the not so distant future.
                  yep, margo ****s cotto again in a rematch. (no ****)

                  cotto really really needs a quality trainer.

                  Good scrap overall, but Marquez/Diaz is still my FOTY candidate.
                  it was decent.

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                  • Ishy Aytan
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                    #49
                    Thats true, Clottey had a dead man infront of him during the 8th and totally blew his chance of winning the fight after this round.


                    Cotto won, he had more ring generalship than Clottey in the championship rounds.

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