Is JMM an ATG??? Yes or No

[S A M U R A I]

Come on man I'm a huge fan of both, but other than the first round of their first fight Pacquiao didn't look like he was anywhere close to knocking him out, even in their rematch when he put JMM down, Marquez got up and was more or less recovered in seconds.

You have to take into account several things:

1: Manny Pacquiao is a better fighter than he was when he fought Marquez.

2: Marquez is getting older. His age will catch up with him at some point soon.

3: Marquez has looked slower and more vulnerable when moving up in weight (it's why Floyd wants to fight him above 140 -- JMM is way out of his depth, trust me).

4: I believe 140 is Manny's most comfortable weight class, it's the perfect weight for him. It's possible Manny was slightly drained for the Marquez fights. Marquez was being pushed around by Juan Diaz at 135. So how is he gonna handle an improved fighter in Pacquiao at a higher weight? Don't forget, aside from the 4 knockdown's, Marquez ended up walking to the wrong corner at one point. And you're saying he wasn't hurt?

Seriously, I'm not just saying it because Manny is my fav fighter, but JMM will never beat Pacquiaio. I would not be surprised at all if he KO's Marquez.



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[Shaun Oliver]

casamayor is an atg and jmm knocked him out, only fighter to ever do so might i add. add that to beating barerra, pacquiao twice and winning titles at 3 diffrent weights and u have yourself a atg

where do you rank casamayor?

JMM is a HOF'er. I'm not sure if he's an ATG

[Pullcounter]

Is JMM an ATG???

I scored both Pacman fights in his favour, hence why I rank him as ATG. A win over Floyd cement his legacy even more.

gonna have to wait for JMM to retire to know for sure.

[drinkxerox]

Come on man I'm a huge fan of both, but other than the first round of their first fight Pacquiao didn't look like he was anywhere close to knocking him out, even in their rematch when he put JMM down, Marquez got up and was more or less recovered in seconds.

lol @ walking to the wrong corner being the same as recovering in seconds.

jmm got saved by the bell

[Iceta]

In my opinion he is. He got robbed out of a decision in Indonesia against a guy who went on to make 10 defenses of his title as the #1 guy in the division. Holds wins over Barrera (close), Casamayor (borderline HOF), Juan Diaz, Gainer, Peden, Juarez, and will have one over Floyd. I had him also outpointing Manny Pacquiao in the rematch. He's also won titles in three weight divisions.

[nujabes77]

You have to take into account several things:

1: Manny Pacquiao is a better fighter than he was when he fought Marquez.

2: Marquez is getting older. His age will catch up with him at some point soon.

3: Marquez has looked slower and more vulnerable when moving up in weight (it's why Floyd wants to fight him above 140 -- JMM is way out of his depth, trust me).

4: I believe 140 is Manny's most comfortable weight class, it's the perfect weight for him. It's possible Manny was slightly drained for the Marquez fights. Marquez was being pushed around by Juan Diaz at 135. So how is he gonna handle an improved fighter in Pacquiao at a higher weight? Don't forget, aside from the 4 knockdown's, Marquez ended up walking to the wrong corner at one point. And you're saying he wasn't hurt?

Seriously, I'm not just saying it because Manny is my fav fighter, but JMM will never beat Pacquiaio. I would not be surprised at all if he KO's Marquez.

props for the post

[Nick Fury]

ATG maybe...but yeah, he's definitely a HOF.

[IMDAZED]

I hate to say this because Marquez is damn good but...no.

[chinoy]

losing to Chris John at his prime, winning over a shot and aged Casamayor would not make him a top 50......I put Morales and Barrera at the top 50 ATG though

if there is such thing as a top 100 ATG, then yes....
if he beats Mayweather (10% chance), then yes....

otherwise, No

[MaD RoBoT]

No not right now, but definitely HOF

He didn't fought Morales during the Featherweight Wars that time

Casamayor's & Juan Diaz's a good win, 1 lost 1 draw against Pac