Prime Tua would murder Wlad.

[Toller]

Moreover I don't understand what my logic has to do with Valuev. I was comparing factual features+performances of Tua.

You stated that tua would not beat Wlad (with incorrect boxrec information - in fact, boxrec states Calvin Jones is 6'6" and was knocked out by Tua in his 13th fight) because he has never knocked anyone that tall out ("End of story"). Well the only person I can remember beating him who was that tall was Lennox Lewis, which, yes showed Tua could be outboxed but also that most likely he would ultimately land a few big bombs (that might change the fight if the opponent couldn't take them).

To make things black and white for you for you, you could use your logic to argue Wladimir Klitschko has never fought anyone over 7 feet tall and, for example, would be inneffective against such a fighter who would unusually have a greater reach. So, the point I'm making is that just because you say Tua has never knocked out someone as tall as Klitschko (he has, give half an inch) does not mean it couldn't happen (and certainly not "end of story").

See it from the other side: Wlad has more KOs on his record, a higher KOratio than Tua, would be Tua's tallest opponent and would be Tua's most experienced opponent. Tua has not won against anyone close to Wlad. How could Tua withstand Wlad's punches for 12 rounds? Of course the posssibility exists that Wlad loses, but it would be highly unlikely.

The difference as I see it is that Tua had an iron chin and traded punches for 12 rounds against a huge puncher in Ibeabuchi, and also took the best shots from Lewis, again for 12 rounds. That gives me a good reason to suspect that when he was at his best he could take what Klitschko had to offer. Wlad on the other hand has shown several times throughout his career that he cannot take punches at all well.

[The Gully Gad]

Im not sure you know...

If Tua could catch him then obviously he ****s him clean out
but i think old vladdy as enough skills to keep the Tuaman at bay and would
most likely box the head off him like Lewis did...

If he avoids the big shot..
And Tua carried the power until the final bell

[WhoreUs]

tua would get outclassed, but at the same time i think he could possibly wear wlad down and possibly ko him after taking a ton of big shots, and a beating from wlad.

flip a coin on this one.

tua will be tua.

the outcome would depend on wlad.

he could school tua like lennox did OR he gets KTFO like how he lost to puritty and brewster.

depends which wlad shows up.

[knn]

You stated that tua would not beat Wlad (with incorrect boxrec information - in fact, boxrec states Calvin Jones is 6'6"

Yes, Calvin Jones is 6'6'' AND A CHINACHINNED BUM (17 KOs in 19 losses). Don't compare him with Klitschko.

To make things black and white for you for you, you could use your logic to argue Wladimir Klitschko has never fought anyone over 7 feet tall and, for example, would be inneffective against such a fighter who would unusually have a greater reach.

You cannot argue like that, but it's true that Klitschko's performance against a taller guy is an open question. For example the last time Vitali Klitschko fought against a taller guy (Timo Hoffmann) he couldn't KO him indeed.

So, the point I'm making is that just because you say Tua has never knocked out someone as tall as Klitschko (he has, give half an inch) does not mean it couldn't happen (and certainly not "end of story").

No, it's the sum of things:
Tua has never fought anyone as TALL as Klitschko (even Lennox is smaller than Wlad).
Tua has never never won a world title.
Tua would be Klitschko's SMALLEST opponent.
Klitschko would be Tua's opponent with the highest KOratio.

There is absolutely nothing that points at Tua winning against Klitschko. Which is the title of this thread "Tua would murder Wlad".

OF COURSE IT'S POSSIBLE. But unlikely.

The difference as I see it is that Tua had an iron chin and traded punches for 12 rounds against a huge puncher in Ibeabuchi

Ibeabuchi has merely 15 KOs on his record (most of which were against bums). Don't compare Klitschko with such a guy. Klitschko has more KOs, more experience and a higher KOratio than Ibeabuchi or Lennox or even Tua himself.

when he was at his best he could take what Klitschko had to offer. Wlad on the other hand has shown several times throughout his career that he cannot take punches at all well.

Lennox even less so.

[knn]

he gets KTFO like how he lost to puritty and brewster.

You mean Wlad's corner would throw the towel because Wlad would punch himself out like against Puritty? Unlikely.

[Poet682006]

Yes, Calvin Jones is 6'6'' AND A CHINACHINNED BUM (17 KOs in 19 losses). Don't compare him with Klitschko.

That's the perfect descripion of Sad Wlad the Impaled.

You cannot argue like that, but it's true that Klitschko's performance against a taller guy is an open question. For example the last time Vitali Klitschko fought against a taller guy (Timo Hoffmann) he couldn't KO him indeed.

No, it's the sum of things:
Tua has never fought anyone as TALL as Klitschko (even Lennox is smaller than Wlad).
Tua has never never won a world title.
Tua would be Klitschko's SMALLEST opponent.
Klitschko would be Tua's opponent with the highest KOratio.

There is absolutely nothing that points at Tua winning against Klitschko. Which is the title of this thread "Tua would murder Wlad".

OF COURSE IT'S POSSIBLE. But unlikely.

Ibeabuchi has merely 15 KOs on his record (most of which were against bums). Don't compare Klitschko with such a guy. Klitschko has more KOs, more experience and a higher KOratio than Ibeabuchi or Lennox or even Tua himself.

Lennox even less so.

Aren't your lips tired after giving Wlad such a rhetorical *******? Jeez man have some dignity: Stay of the dopey ******'s nut sack.

Poet

[Xplosivo]

Tua by brutal KO. Tua would be on Wlad like a mosquito on ****

[knn]

I just rewatched several Tua fights.

Not in 100 years would Tua beat Wlad. He basically had merely 2 moves (left hook, right hook) and had huge difficulties with better fighters.

[paul750]

I just rewatched several Tua fights.

Not in 100 years would Tua beat Wlad. He basically had merely 2 moves (left hook, right hook) and had huge difficulties with better fighters.

He actually had a good overhand right when he used it. By all means Wlad could have went out and beaten Tua by 10 rounds to 2 or whatever. The fact remains, though, that Wlad can fold under pressure and lose. Lewis didn't have an iron chin either, but he was stronger mentally, and could weather a storm much better, like he did in the Briggs fight for example.

Klitschko would certainly be the favourite, but not the sort of favourite you'd bet your house on winning. Tua could be absolutely awful at times, like he was in the Rahman fights, and be very easily outboxed by a good jab. Then there's the other version who goes out and blasts the likes of Ruiz and Moorer and Sullivan away in a round. It also has to be said that Brewster has never been a very good boxer either, and has been outboxed by fringe contenders.

All things considered, Tua would be a live underdog.

[WhoreUs]

You mean Wlad's corner would throw the towel because Wlad would punch himself out like against Puritty? Unlikely.

wlad punched himself out against puritty and brewster then got ktfo.

whether he got ktfo straight up or because he was tired , he still got ktfo.