David Haye Was Medically Cleared For July 25 To Fight

[IMDAZED]

The Haye money was ring-fenced, and the article you linked to doesn't even mention Haye. Haye's injury has to be independently verified by the British Boxing Board of Control. And if the reason you gave was valid, Haye would have had nothing to lose and everything to gain by being honest about the reason. You're a complete idiot, and a conspiracy theorist. You'll be claiming that the US Government organised 9/11 next.

That's a lot more plausible than his Haye theory.

[knn]

Any remaining vestiges of credibility you might have had ended right there.

Obviously - contrary to you - I have watched all of Ali's fights.

His defense is NON-EXISTENT. If you want to see a fighter eating tons of punches then either watch Sam Peter or Ali.

Just watch Ali vs Miteff (a 26-13 bum!) (beginning of Ali's career)
Or Ali vs Norton III (end of Ali's career).
Or Ali vs Forman (middle of Ali's career). Ali has absolutely no defense except eating punches and clowning around.

Ali eats nearly everything thrown at him.

I don't know who invented that lie - that Ali had reflexes whatsoever is a myth by good-old-times nostalgists, who obviously hope that noone ACTUALLY WATCHES his fights.

His only defense was

• to run away (= "flying", "floating" = clowning around)
• his chin
• choking, clinching, insulting, arm-holding, head-down-pushing. Just watch his disgraceful behaviour in the Foreman fight. Or basically any of his fights.

DIS-GUS-TING. Every Ali fan needs a reality check. Before you talk about reflexes think about why Ali got Parkinson in the first place.

His record is pretty solid though.

[Davros?]

Obviously - contrary to you - I have watched all of Ali's fights.

His defense is NON-EXISTENT. If you want to see a fighter eating tons of punches then either watch Sam Peter or Ali.

Just watch Ali vs Miteff (a 26-13 bum!) (beginning of Ali's career)
Or Ali vs Norton III (end of Ali's career).
Or Ali vs Forman (middle of Ali's career). Ali has absolutely no defense except eating punches and clowning around.

Ali eats nearly everything thrown at him.

I don't know who invented that lie - that Ali had reflexes whatsoever is a myth by good-old-times nostalgists, who obviously hope that noone ACTUALLY WATCHES his fights.

His only defense was

• to run away (= "flying", "floating" = clowning around)
• his chin
• choking, clinching, insulting, arm-holding, head-down-pushing. Just watch his disgraceful behaviour clinching in the Foreman fight. Or basically any of his fights.

DIS-GUS-TING. Every Ali fan needs a reality check. Before you talk about reflexes think about why Ali got Parkinson in the first place.

His record is pretty solid though.

haha that post is funny.

[GJC]

They were not. He got hit by everything in the book even the slowest punches. I never saw anyone eating so many punches like Ali. No wonder he got Parkinson.

Watch and I mean watch Ali v Liston and Foreman and see how many clean punches land on him. You never know you might learn to enjoy the sport and be able to retain an interest when the Klit brothers retire.

In his entire career Ali didn't go even 1 round against someone like Vitali Klitschko or Lennox Lewis. That he could go 15 rounds against some tiny featherfists like Frazier is irrelevant.

Not forgetting the featherfisted Liston, Foreman and Shavers. Or do we have an adjusted KO % for them?
Maybe only counting fighters they knocked out in Germany. No hold on, that wont suit as Ali stopped 100% of his opponents In Germany
Also Ali stopped 7 out of 7 in Europe which is much better than the Klit brothers even though it is their home territory so to speak.
There are lies damn lies and statistics and we can all pick and choose.

[GJC]

I don't know who invented that lie - that Ali had reflexes whatsoever is a myth by good-old-times nostalgists, who obviously hope that noone ACTUALLY WATCHES his fights.

Would rather YOU don't watch his fights to be honest as it is like giving a bald man a comb.

His only defense was
[LIST][*]to run away (= "flying", "floating" = clowning around)[*]his chin[*]choking, clinching, insulting, arm-holding, head-down-pushing. Just watch his disgraceful behaviour clinching in the Foreman fight. Or basically any of his fights.

Yes thats pretty much his only defense:
a) using his legs
b) rolling away from punches
c) tying up opponents on the inside if a) or b) don't work
d) Relying on his fantasitic chin if a) to c) don't work.

No one ever knocked him out so worked out pretty good for him.
What other methods of defense did he miss?

[GJC]

Yeah, I still miss the fight when Frazier went through Foreman like a bullet.

What's next? Claiming that Joe Louis had a chance against Wladimir Klitschko? Wake up.

Frazier is completely overrated. That Ali had so much trouble with Frazier (see my sig) just shows you what a limited fighter Ali was.

Foreman is Foreman, terrible style match up for Frazier. Only 2 men beat Frazier, Foreman and Ali, the Klitschko brothers would not add to that number. Not even because they are big, Frazier wouldn't faint at fighting someone bigger than him you know.

[knn]

Watch and I mean watch Ali v Liston and Foreman and see how many clean punches land on him.

1. Foreman landed LOADs of good shots except for the parts where Ali choked him or pushed down Foreman's head. Foreman gassed because he was probably poisoned as Ali's trainer (co-trainer Drew Brown) bragged about. A large part of Ali's reputation is based on the fact that they failed to delete the Foreman-win off Ali's record and that there was no Ali-Foreman II to set things straight.
2. Ali was 206 lbs (Ali vs Liston II). Such a light fighter would fight as cruiser nowadays. Of course he is a bit faster than nowadays heavies. Having said that: Ali was again clowning around (= running aways to keep his 2 meters distance from Liston).
3. In Ali vs Liston I Ali ran away as usual. Yawn.

Not forgetting the featherfisted Liston, Foreman and Shavers. Or do we have an adjusted KO % for them?

Foreman was not a featherfist. Foreman is one of the hardest punchers ever.

Liston has an OK KOratio BECAUSE HE WAS A KOer OF BUMS.

Once you delete bums of his record (= those who lose 25% or more) he has scored 8 KOs in 14 fights.

In his entire heavyweight career (200+) against better competition Liston has scored 4 KO wins (FOUR) and 2 losses.

The nicest thing we can say about Liston is: Too untested in heavyweight waters to make a final conclusion.

After his losses to Ali, Liston boxed 14 more opponents, ALL OF WHICH were featherfists and/or bums. Most of which were natural cruisers. Obviously he knew his correct place.

I wrote already about Shavers at
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...&postcount=153

[Abstraction]

Rofl.

So funny when Racists attempt to discuss things formally.

Pathetic.

[DarchinyFAN]

I am not reading this whole thread.....

Wlad did the right thing upon the cancelationand went out and found a perfectly viable opponent.

Maybe Haye could go ahead and take on the Vitali portion of his contract.

[knn]

Rofl.

So funny when Racists attempt to discuss things formally.

Pathetic.

So funny, that one is immediately a racist when one criticizes Muhammad.

Even more funny, because my esteem for Rocky Marciano is far lower than for Ali. Ali at least has some of the best records.

Minion just gave me a bad karma with the comment "Pathetic".