David Haye Was Medically Cleared For July 25 To Fight

[GJC]

Foreman gassed because he was probably poisoned as Ali's trainer (co-trainer Drew Brown) bragged about. A large part of Ali's reputation is based on the fact that they failed to delete the Foreman-win off Ali's record

Based on the ramblings of a alcoholic who would frankly say anything to earn a $ ? Yes thats proof.

Ali was 206 lbs (Ali vs Liston II). Such a light fighter would fight as cruiser nowadays.
Of course he is a bit faster than nowadays heavies

What is the cruiserweight limit?
Faster than the Klit brothers, Valuev and Chagaev? Surely not?

In Ali vs Liston I Ali ran away as usual. Yawn.

Threw the odd punch too, fighters don't have to plod forward like Frankenstein's monster its in the rules they can use their legs.

Foreman was not a featherfist. Foreman is one of the hardest punchers ever.

Really thanks for the info. Why didn't he knock out Ali then?

Once you delete bums of his record (= those who lose 25% or more) he has scored 8 KOs in 14 fights.
The nicest thing we can say about Liston is: Too untested in heavyweight waters to make a final conclusion.

Just to clarify your definition of a bum, Ezzard Charles would be a bum then?
Liston untested? OK

I wrote already about Shavers at
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...&postcount=153

Call me ignorant and un-educated but I'll pass on that if I may.

Would you just clarify something for me please. The Klitschko brothers are un-beatable because the are so big right?
Every heavyweight before them was no good because they were so small right?

So being a stats man could you explain?

Weight Reach
Frazier 205/210 73
Byrd 210 74
Sanders 225 77
Ali 215/220 80
Foreman 215+ 82
Liston 210 84

I'm getting confused there seems to be an anomoly.

[The Hammer]

So why did Booth say Haye could fight on July 11, if he wouldn't be ready until July 25 or later?

[#1Assassin]

So why did Booth say Haye could fight on July 11, if he wouldn't be ready until July 25 or later?

hes no doctor. he thought he could have haye ready by the 11th, he was just wrong.

why would he lie? just to mess with wlad? cuz they are evil and looking to tear down the eastern europeans? gimme a break..

if the shoe was on the other foot what would u say? nothing. anything haye does is wrong and everything wlad does is right.. such a f.ucking hypocrite

[RoyJonesJrp4pno1]

Too bad the fight is scheduled (was) for June 20.

[knn]

Based on the ramblings of a alcoholic who would frankly say anything to earn a $ ? Yes thats proof.

Based on Ali's co-trainer AND Foreman's own words. Foreman is no BSer. I don't even claim that Ali knew about it.

What is the cruiserweight limit?

Just like David Haye and his opponents sweat off some pounds to be 210 lbs in the ring at fight night.

Faster than the Klit brothers, Valuev and Chagaev? Surely not?

Of course Ali at 206 can be faster than nowadays heavies at 220. Because you are comparing a cruiser (Ali) to heavy boys. Ali in his later fights (220+) was slower than nowadays heavies.

Threw the odd punch too, fighters don't have to plod forward like Frankenstein's monster its in the rules they can use their legs.

They don't have to run away either. You see, this is the difference: FRAZIER (though worse-resume'd) IS EXCITING TO WATCH. Ali is a coward and a bore.

Really thanks for the info. Why didn't he knock out Ali then?

1) Because he was drugged (and thus gassed)
2) Because Ali has a solid chin (and thus got Parkinson)

Just to clarify your definition of a bum, Ezzard Charles would be a bum then?

Of his 13 wins against 200+ opponents only 2 are mentionworthy: Featherfist Joe Baksi and 36+ years old Joe Louis. The other 11 have a median record of 22-17 = BUMS.

Ezzard Charles is not a bum, but a heavyweight-nobody.

Liston untested? OK

Liston is not untested. Liston is untested against better heavies, if you want to put it friendly.

Would you just clarify something for me please. The Klitschko brothers are un-beatable because the are so big right?

They are not unbeatable. Neither was Lennox, Tyson, Foreman or Ali.

Every heavyweight before them was no good because they were so small right?

Wrong.

I'm getting confused there seems to be an anomoly.

Don't understand what you claim exactly?

[GJC]

Based on Ali's co-trainer AND Foreman's own words.

So an alcoholic and the fighter who lost (must say whenever I have seen Foreman interviewed regarding this fight he has never claimed this and had taken defeat with dignity)

Just like David Haye and his opponents sweat off some pounds to be 210 lbs in the ring at fight night.

And the cruiserweigt limit is.........?

Ali in his later fights (220+) was slower than nowadays heavies.

Debatable I think he is quicker than Valuev now with his Parkinsons.

Ali is a coward and a bore.

Ali had many faults but he was never a coward, hence he got parkinsons, you can't have it both ways. As for boring he was involved in some boring fights for sure although if you found the Lewis Vitali more exciting than theThrilla then there is no accounting for taste. Depends whether you watch fights objectively I guess.

Featherfist Joe Baksi

I actually have seen Baksi fight live and he was not a featherfist. Simply looking at a resume on boxingrec and looking at %'s doesn't really tell a true story. You would have liked Baksi he had a quality you favour.

Liston is not untested. Liston is untested against better heavies, if you want to put it friendly.

Can't be any good can he, because Ali beat him?

They are not unbeatable. Neither was Lennox, Tyson, Foreman or Ali.

True, they would have been against the current holders though.

Don't understand what you claim exactly?

Put the Tunney chip in to compartment a and it will become clearer. After of course putting the Jim Jefferies chip in to red k me.
I do admire the way you keep track

I think that the Klitschko are the best of a weak era. The fact they are European is a point in their favour for me, I'm Europeon so making the sport more global is a good thing. Unfortunately I personally find them boring to watch to my taste. I will say though they do carry themselves well and behave with dignity it is a pity that the same can not be said of some of their fans on here. They are ill served by their fans on here who make ludicrous claims and attempt to diminish other fighters to boost them.

[knn]

And the cruiserweigt limit is.........?

200 at weigh in. 210+ de facto at fight night.

Debatable I think he is quicker than Valuev now with his Parkinsons.

Valuev is not too slow. Just looks like it. Eye witnesses have said he is faster than it looks.

Ali had many faults but he was never a coward, hence he got parkinsons, you can't have it both ways.

Yes, you can have it both ways: He was a coward with a bad defense.

As for boring he was involved in some boring fights for sure although if you found the Lewis Vitali more exciting than theThrilla then there is no accounting for taste. Depends whether you watch fights objectively I guess.

No, I noticed that the modern fans like KOs while the nostalgic fans like hard chins and fights that go 15 rounds with 2 featherfists.

I actually have seen Baksi fight live and he was not a featherfist. Simply looking at a resume on boxingrec and looking at %'s doesn't really tell a true story.

I disagree. You can always, always, always find a fight where someone doesn't look featherfisty. Even the greatest bums have usually a KO win against some other bum. Even chinachin'ed bum Larry McFadden (1 win, 34 losses, 29 losses by KO) has KOed someone. You HAVE TO check the whole record. Single fights matter too little.

This is by the way the same mistake even the ring mag makes:
Take their "Ring Magazine's 100 Greatest Punchers" toplist.
http://boxing.about.com/od/history/a/ring_punchers.htm
They put Joe Louis at #1. That's rather correct. Then at #2 they put Sam Langford. Obviously nobody on earth has ever seen Langford's 300+ fights, because either there is no footage of it or nobody could force himself to watch 300 black/white movies. So how can they come up with Langford at #2? Answer: They just watched 4 or so fights.

That is BULLCRAP. At best his KOratio is 40% (= featherfist). But objectively it's only 18% when you delete bums off his record. What is this guy doing at #2? Obviously everyone just checks a handful of good-performance fights without ever checking the record.

Can't be any good can he, because Ali beat him?

Liston is mainly a beater of bums. That's why he isn't good.

Put the Tunney chip in to compartment a and it will become clearer. After of course putting the Jim Jefferies chip in to red k me.
I do admire the way you keep track

?

I think that the Klitschko are the best of a weak era.

I think it's a very strong era. Especially when you consider that the Fraziers, Nortons, Bowes were mainly or exclusively fighting on US-homesoil.

[GJC]

Valuev is not too slow. Just looks like it. Eye witnesses have said he is faster than it looks.

Faster doing what, not boxing I assume.

I disagree. You can always, always, always find a fight where someone doesn't look featherfisty. Even the greatest bums have usually a KO win against some other bum. Even chinachin'ed bum Larry McFadden (1 win, 34 losses, 29 losses by KO) has KOed someone. You HAVE TO check the whole record. Single fights matter too little.

This is by the way the same mistake even the ring mag makes:
Take their "Ring Magazine's 100 Greatest Punchers" toplist.
http://boxing.about.com/od/history/a/ring_punchers.htm
They put Joe Louis at #1. That's rather correct. Then at #2 they put Sam Langford. Obviously nobody on earth has ever seen Langford's 300+ fights, because either there is no footage of it or nobody could force himself to watch 300 black/white movies. So how can they come up with Langford at #2? Answer: They just watched 4 or so fights.

So which is it? Don't watch fights but run your finger down a record is best but when Ring do the same with a fighter who doesn't have many fights available to view that doesn't count?

I think it's a very strong era. Especially when you consider that the Fraziers, Nortons, Bowes were mainly or exclusively fighting on US-homesoil.

You think wrong.
As opposed to mainly or exclusively fighting on German soil?

I'll ignore the rest of your comments Tunney sorry knn as not being worthy of an answer.

[Dan...]

knn is Tunney right? Gotta be, surely.

[StarshipTrooper]

knn is Tunney right? Gotta be, surely.

Pretty damn sure. Either that or Klitschko2009. Either way they use these alts to say what they REALLY think but are too chicken**** to say under their own names.

Poet