Calzaghe and Dawson: a double standard about fighting old opponents

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    #21
    Dawson is not claiming to be the "best" by beating old men though, and never had the opportunity to facet these guys at a younger age.

    Whereas Calzaghe did, but decided on facing the older versions.

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    • MANGLER
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      #22
      Nobody wanted to see Tarver fight Chad again, but dude had no choice. And cats were hyped for Joe C's fights wit Bhop and RJ til after he won em.

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        #23
        Originally posted by gingeralbino
        they're are both doing the same thing, and i dont mean fighting old people, they are fighting the people who bring the most money to the table.

        Calzaghe was champ for years and broke records so he deserves to chase the money fights. Dawson has no right to chase the money yet he has'nt done ****. Looks like he might be the next P4P cherry pickin *****. He don't want Cloud and he never wanted anything to do with Diaconu.

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          #24
          Originally posted by minion
          Dawson is not claiming to be the "best" by beating old men though, and never had the opportunity to facet these guys at a younger age.

          Whereas Calzaghe did, but decided on facing the older versions.
          Dawson won't fight the younger guys that are around now. So watchya talkin bout? Fool!

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            #25
            Originally posted by xAUGUSTUSx
            Dawson won't fight the younger guys that are around now. So watchya talkin bout? Fool!
            He is still 26 though dude, and will most likely face them soon imo. Not wait a decade like joe did

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              #26
              Fighting Tarver again was a joke but I've heard plenty of people calling for the Johnson rematch. That fight should have been instead of Tarver.

              Dawson needs to up his competition because he hasn't done much since defeating Adamek.

              At the end of the day, most fighters will lean towards money and trying to get on one of the big TV networks like Showtime or HBO.


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              So who should he fight?





              For Calzaghe: Hopkins was past his prime and 40+ but he held the LH Ring belt so that was fair game.

              Jones Jr. on the other hand was SHOT and based on what Joe was saying before the match was even made about where Roy was at in his career....why take that fight?
              Money, right?
              Name = Money.

              Dawson wanted to fight Joe as well for that same thing...MONEY.
              Last edited by Benny Leonard; 05-28-2009, 07:33 AM.

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                #27
                Originally posted by xAUGUSTUSx
                Calzaghe was champ for years and broke records so he deserves to chase the money fights. Dawson has no right to chase the money yet he has'nt done ****. Looks like he might be the next P4P cherry pickin *****. He don't want Cloud and he never wanted anything to do with Diaconu.
                Joe doesn't "deserve" anything.

                He milked it fighting scrubs when there were REAL titles and champions to fight.

                He was WBO champ for years and that ain't saying much.

                Any half-assed fighter can hold a WBO title for years.

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                  #28
                  Originally posted by Benny Leonard
                  Fighting Tarver again was a joke but I've heard plenty of people calling for the Johnson rematch. That fight should have been instead of Tarver.

                  Dawson needs to up his competition because he hasn't done much since defeating Adamek.

                  At the end of the day, most fighters will lean towards money and trying to get on one of the big TV networks like Showtime or HBO.


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                  So who should he fight?
                  Those writers at The Ring like Rosenthal and Raskin are very biased, so their ratings don't mean ****.

                  He should fight a few prime opponents like Diaconu and Cloud.

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                    #29
                    Originally posted by ~Tunney
                    Interesting how Joe Calzaghe took so much abuse on this forum for fighting two old fighters, Bernard Hopkins and Roy Jones Jr.

                    Chad Dawson will now have FOUR fights in a row against 40 year olds, but the same people who were so hard on Calzaghe are not saying anything - in fact they are making excuses for Dawson.

                    The age 26 Dawson dropped TWO titles to avoid mandatories with prime opponents (Adrian Diaconu and Tavoris Cloud) in order to fight 40 year olds. As well, he avoided Diaconu in June 2007 and fought clubfighter Jesus Ruiz, and again avoided him early in 2008 to take the first fight with Johnson.

                    Calzaghe was old himself, he had been an amateur in the late 80s and pro since the early 90s and now is retired, while Dawson is in his 20s.

                    Why did Calzaghe take so much criticism, while Dawson gets away with it?
                    I'm sure for pointing this out, I will receive a lot of criticism myself - but no one said much about those like bsrizpac who expressed their extreme displeasure with Calzaghe day after day in this forum .

                    Is there a double standard?
                    This is the way I feel. Calzaghe gets trashed verbally here while Dawson gets praises for fighting the world's geriatric ward.

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                      #30
                      Originally posted by xAUGUSTUSx
                      Calzaghe was champ for years and broke records so he deserves to chase the money fights. Dawson has no right to chase the money yet he has'nt done ****. Looks like he might be the next P4P cherry pickin *****. He don't want Cloud and he never wanted anything to do with Diaconu.
                      He's a cherry picker for sure.

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