Cotto-Clottey Explodes; Over 12,000 Tickets Sold

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winky's caliber? paul didn't face a prime winky. he faced a winky that was coming off a loss and a 2 year layoff... how could you call anyone elite just for beating an old AND inactive guy?

cotto doesn't get a pass for not fighting gatti. if he DID fight him, he would get no credit whatsoever from me at least.

cotto has fought much tougher competition than williams up to this moment. i'm not saying williams is unskilled. i said that he isn't elite. elite status is achieved by PROVING your skills against opponents who are fighting at a high level and being successful at it. winky wasn't doing either when he fought williams

But Winky Wright was/is still a top fighter and has
fought way better opposition than Cotto and Williams
put together and even if he was off for 2 years he still
took the fight and said he was going to win. Cotto
fought an old Mosley that couldn't even breath
properly and had to get nasal passage surgery
right after and Cotto had problems. Williams beat
the crap out of Winky Wright and Winky Wright
beat Mosley twice.

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But Winky Wright was/is still a top fighter and has
fought way better opposition than Cotto and Williams
put together and even if he was off for 2 years he still
took the fight and said he was going to win. Cotto
fought an old Mosley that couldn't even breath
properly and had to get nasal passage surgery
right after and Cotto had problems. Williams beat
the crap out of Winky Wright and Winky Wright
beat Mosley twice.

are you actually trying to tell me that the current winky is better than the current mosley ?

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is a tko win against quintana (seems that you forgot to include that one, but didn't forget to mention the vacant title fight) less impressive than a 12 round UD against baldomir just because it was for a vacant title?

Ok so Carlos Quintana and Shane Mosley. Carlos Baldomir
was the Lineal Champion at 147, Cotto fought Quintana
for a vacant title. While the knockout was impressive
the fight was not more significant than Floyd's win
and accomplishment at 147 because Floyd WON his
title from Baldomir which happened to be the whole
pinata at 147 that made him the recognize champ
there. Fighting for a vacant title is not as impressive
as WINNING one and by your standards you should feel
the same.

[Wales08]

12,000 is terrible. More fans come from abroad to see fights like Hatton, Calzaghe Pac etc than Cotto.

[fdotorres]

Ok so Carlos Quintana and Shane Mosley. Carlos Baldomir
was the Lineal Champion at 147, Cotto fought Quintana
for a vacant title. While the knockout was impressive
the fight was not more significant than Floyd's win
and accomplishment at 147 because Floyd WON his
title from Baldomir which happened to be the whole
pinata at 147 that made him the recognize champ
there. Fighting for a vacant title is not as impressive
as WINNING one and by your standards you should feel
the same.

didn't floyd say that belts don't make anyone? wasn't that the reason he gave for going against marquez and not mosley?

quintana is a far, FAR better fighter than baldomir. the only thing better that baldomir had was a title he couldn't defend against anyone except a shot gatti. he has nothing else over quintana

so you tell me which is more significant: belt or quality of opponent?

[gonzo2312003]

Good **** *****s owned again, So Cotto is a nobody? LMAO jajajajajajaja

Another Floyd excuse that got flushed.

By The way, Streetbully, Ofcourse Cotto fans were outnumber in Vegas when he fought Margarito. The are moe mexicans in the west side. If the fight would of been in MSG, it would of been a different story.

yeah, you are right! i am mexican so i know it is all based on demographics of where the fight is. I will tell you this however, if Margo had not screwed up (i have my own theory but thats another thread) and decided to fight cotto again i guarantee that yankee stadium (new one) or Dodger stadium would have sold out no question. not to mention the PPV sales

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are you actually trying to tell me that the current winky is better than the current mosley ?

I'm not trying to say anything except that Winky served
Mosley TWICE and when Cotto fought Mosley he wasn't
current, that was in 2007 and Mosley is perhaps a better
fighter with a better trainer now then he was when he
fought Cotto. Winky beat a younger Mosley twice and a
younger Cotto had a difficult time with an older Shane.
Paul Williams beat Winky Wright down, who last fight before
is lay off was against Bernhard Hopkins and that fight wasn't
that much of a convincing beat down as the one Williams gave
him. Winky didn't make any excuses after the fight and neither
should you or nobody else.

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I'm not trying to say anything except that Winky served
Mosley TWICE and when Cotto fought Mosley he wasn't
current, that was in 2007 and Mosley is perhaps a better
fighter with a better trainer now then he was when he
fought Cotto. Winky beat a younger Mosley twice and a
younger Cotto had a difficult time with an older Shane.
Paul Williams beat Winky Wright down, who last fight before
is lay off was against Bernhard Hopkins and that fight wasn't
that much of a convincing beat down as the one Williams gave
him. Winky didn't make any excuses after the fight and neither
should you or nobody else.

you're right, i shouldn't. i mean it's not like a 2 year lay off after losing takes away something from you, especially if you're old. my bad

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didn't floyd say that belts don't make anyone? wasn't that the reason he gave for going against marquez and not mosley?

quintana is a far, FAR better fighter than baldomir. the only thing better that baldomir had was a title he couldn't defend against anyone except a shot gatti. he has nothing else over quintana

so you tell me which is more significant: belt or quality of opponent?

Floyd don't need titles no more at this point because like
he said he did it and now he is fighting for checks. Back
then it was for titles because they made his stock rise
to get a big money fight with Oscar. Baldomir was a
better quality fighter than Gomez/Jennings right or wrong?
Who actually accomplished more in his career than
they did. Everything plays a factor in the sport
as being significant in regards to belts, Quality
opponents, checks, it just all depends on where
you are at in your career. If your shooting down
Winky........Where is Quintana now? Not even in
the loop at 147. No belt, big name/checks NOTHING.

[Iceta]

I'm not trying to ridicule anyone but from what your implying,
it seems that your saying Floyd fought a shot Gatti and shouldn't
get no credit for the win and Cotto gets a pass because the fight
never got made because of Gatti? Bottom line is that this is boxing
and not everyone is going to fight top guys all the time, plenty of
elite fighters go up against tune ups or shot bums but it doesn't
take away from them as fighters skill wise, does it? Paul Williams
is a top fighter no matter who he beat or not.

I know that you consider Cotto a top fighter right? Well Paul
beat Margarito and Margarito beat Cotto. Cotto beat Quintana
and Quintana beat Williams and then Williams beat Quintana, ****
happens but the opposition shouldn't take away from the type of
caliber the fighter is. Seems like you like to make a lot of excuses
about certain fighters when in actuality Cotto hasn't fought anyone
of Winky Wright's caliber. Winky served Mosley twice years before
Cotto squeaked by Mosley in their fight and at that an OLDER Mosley.
Williams gave Winky a beat down that he hasn't seen in like forever.
That I call is elite.

Yeah, I think Paul is an elite fighter too. Don't you think that's why your dude Floyd said "Who is Paul Williams?"