The Best Analysis of JMM VS Floyd I Have Seen

[MindBat]

jmm signed to fight at 144 lbs. if he's cool with that weight then why aren't you?

Yes. Juan called out Floyd. Not the other way around.

He agreed to the terms in writing.

And what many continue to forget is that on fight night, most fighters re-hydrate and weigh more than the weight class they're fighting in.

[Benny Leonard]

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and he thinks mayweathers win over odlh and hatton is all roses. talk about double standards

Never said the Oscar fight was all roses. Hatton fight, yes. Nothing wrong with that victory.

I've always said despite Floyd fighting a healthy Oscar, and a bigger fighter in Oscar at 154, with Freddie getting Floyd to wear "Reyes" gloves (which is a bad thing given Floyd's brittle hands)....Floyd still beat a past prime Oscar.

With Hatton, Floyd popped his cherry.

[Benny Leonard]

Yup. The "Oscar was dead" excuse is so ****ing boring. He fought Forbes at 150. He won pretty much every single round. He had months to make the weight for Pacquiao. He lost, got his butt whipped, and even if he'd rehydrated to 200lbs he would have still lost.

Pacquiao is a much better fighter than Oscar De La Hoya. Oscar has no answer for Pacquiao no matter what the weight because he doesn't know how to fight a fast southpaw.

Lil' Valero whipped his ass in sparring. Was Oscar dehydrated and dead then, too?

How much was Oscar on fight-night against Forbes?

And did Oscar look good against Forbes?
People actually ripped him on that fight.
I didn't think he looked to bad.

Oscar that fought Shane doesn't lose to Pac....we can vote on it.


And the fact that Valero may have been beating Oscar up in sparring, along with Ortiz kicking his ass...tells you Oscar was a dead-man going in.

And yes, Oscar dieted down and maintained that low weight during trainning while he sparred them. That's the point: He killed himself with losing to much weight. His body couldn't function properly. Freddie mentions this as well.

[- JCHING -]

How much was Oscar on fight-night against Forbes?

And did Oscar look good against Forbes?
People actually ripped him on that fight.
I didn't think he looked to bad.

Oscar that fought Shane doesn't lose to Pac....we can vote on it.


And the fact that Valero may have been beating Oscar up in sparring, along with Ortiz kicking his ass...tells you Oscar was a dead-man going in.

And yes, Oscar dieted down and maintained that low weight during trainning while he sparred them. That's the point: He killed himself with losing to much weight. His body couldn't function properly. Freddie mentions this as well.

Benny there's no point. Pac fans are completely and utterly deluded and can't accept anything negative said about Pac no matter how undeniably factual.

ODLH against Mayweather: 20lbs+ heavier than against Pac, younger and closer to prime. People were still claiming Oscar to be over the hill.

ODLH against Pac: Weighed less than Pacquiao. Had not fought at that weight for over 7 years. Was old. Looked **** against Forbes at 150. Was getting beat up in sparring.

The Pacquiao win is only good because people were writing him off prior to the fight.

[MOTHER DUCKER]

Im interested @ thread starter do you really think Money's reflexes/speed etc were fine going up to 147? Call me crazy but i watched a lot of his fights at lower weights, then Hatton/Dela Hoya ones recently and he seems a hell of alot slower.

[Benny Leonard]

Benny there's no point. Pac fans are completely and utterly deluded and can't accept anything negative said about Pac no matter how undeniably factual.

ODLH against Mayweather: 20lbs+ heavier than against Pac, younger and closer to prime. People were still claiming Oscar to be over the hill.

ODLH against Pac: Weighed less than Pacquiao. Had not fought at that weight for over 7 years. Was old. Looked **** against Forbes at 150. Was getting beat up in sparring.

The Pacquiao win is only good because people were writing him off prior to the fight.

OK....I'll let it go

[Pullcounter]

Benny there's no point. Pac fans are completely and utterly deluded and can't accept anything negative said about Pac no matter how undeniably factual.

ODLH against Mayweather: 20lbs+ heavier than against Pac, younger and closer to prime. People were still claiming Oscar to be over the hill.

ODLH against Pac: Weighed less than Pacquiao. Had not fought at that weight for over 7 years. Was old. Looked **** against Forbes at 150. Was getting beat up in sparring.

The Pacquiao win is only good because people were writing him off prior to the fight.

you make some points, but you know that dlh vs. pac should've never happened right? I mean seriously... dlh fought as hight at 160 lbs and pac fought as low as 106 lbs.

they have no business in the ring together. you do realize that right?

[Benny Leonard]

you make some points, but you know that dlh vs. pac should've never happened right? I mean seriously... dlh fought as hight at 160 lbs and pac fought as low as 106 lbs.

they have no business in the ring together. you do realize that right?

You do realize Pac was 16 years old and was most likely still in puberty and was a starving boy back then, right?
He may have even had slowed down his growth process.

Floyd was 106 pounds at 16 as well.

Maybe Pac shouldn't have starved himself so much. That's one of the possible reasons he was knocked out twice back then as well, right?

And why in his 20's he started to out-grow weight classes and somehow out-grew the 135 division after only one fight. Same fight he weighed in at 147. Same guy that Freddie said was as high as 152 pounds with 6% body-fat while training for Oscar (and working his way down).

Now either Pac was a starving boy back then and took time to mature or he is eating healthier now which caused him to out-grow divisions and out-grow the LW division so fast...or, he is doing something else to help alter his appearance.

Pac was 147 pounds, just like Oscar...but Oscar was coming down in weight after all those years which effected him badly the way he did it. But that is on Oscar.

[- JCHING -]

you make some points, but you know that dlh vs. pac should've never happened right? I mean seriously... dlh fought as hight at 160 lbs and pac fought as low as 106 lbs.

they have no business in the ring together. you do realize that right?

Yes of course. But Pacquiao is a natural 140lber now and struggled to make 135. He only jumped up 1 weight division if you look at it that way.

[Equinox]

so your admitting that floyd is the same right? why is he then so proud to beat odlh and hatton, calling it his biggerst fights. doesn't that discredit the wins?

the oscar was the same, watch the fight again. manny was just too much that's why he looked like **** in the later rounds. it was all manny, he was just too much

how can you even give that excuse with hatton? i mean pacquiao lost a few times so does manny atg and yet they comeback to be better. that hatton manny got was better, with sr. + at 140. again it was all manny, he was just too much

manny was a first timer at 147/140 too, dont you think that is remarkable to achieve what he had. he moved up two weight classes for the odlh fight. he made the kingpin/undefeated at 140 look like an amateur...


give full credit to manny for beating odlh/hatton. i give your boi full creds for those wins

give credit to the destroyer. you know he deserves it

wtf? are you seriously saying that the oscar floyd fought was the same pack fought? where did you ****ing packyau fans come from? everyday its something that amazes me with you guys its like if packyau was to fight godzilaa you guys would bet your lifes that he would win. you are all pissing me off. hopefully pack retires next year so you guys will dissapear.