The Best Analysis of JMM VS Floyd I Have Seen

[nujabes77]

Yes, because we know a DEAD past Prime Oscar is the same as JMM. And Hatton is equal to JMM

And the Oscar Floyd fought wasn't the same as the one Pac got.

And for Hatton, Floyd got the fresher fighter but it still wouldn't have mattered that much because Pac went for the KO early...which was in a way setup by watching Floyd get to Hatton when Floyd decided to open up. Floyd should have just opened up more from the start but that's on him.

so your admitting that floyd is the same right? why is he then so proud to beat odlh and hatton, calling it his biggerst fights. doesn't that discredit the wins?

the oscar was the same, watch the fight again. manny was just too much that's why he looked like **** in the later rounds. it was all manny, he was just too much

how can you even give that excuse with hatton? i mean pacquiao lost a few times so does manny atg and yet they comeback to be better. that hatton manny got was better, with sr. + at 140. again it was all manny, he was just too much

manny was a first timer at 147/140 too, dont you think that is remarkable to achieve what he had. he moved up two weight classes for the odlh fight. he made the kingpin/undefeated at 140 look like an amateur...


give full credit to manny for beating odlh/hatton. i give your boi full creds for those wins

give credit to the destroyer. you know he deserves it

[Pullcounter]

Blame Roach and the Media first:
Blame Pac for fighting a DEAD Oscar at 147 and then taking on Hatton and having the Media blow up Pac's legacy.
Thus forcing Floyd to come out of retirement for vengeance.

lols... so dlh and hatton take no blame?

does floyd REALLY have to come out of retirement?

ridiculous...

If Pac doesn't fight Oscar and Hatton....you don't have Floyd coming back to fight JMM.

lols JMM wanted to fight pbf

What does suck is that JMM might not be given his just do that he deserves. The Man is an incredible fighter.

p4p #2 + a payday against floyd....

looks like he's getting his due...

When I saw that video of him and Floyd coming out of the Double-decker bus in England...I felt bad for JMM because it looked like he wasn't really a part of the show.

of course, he's mexican in the uk

And for Hatton, Floyd got the fresher fighter but it still wouldn't have mattered that much because Pac went for the KO early...which was in a way setup by watching Floyd get to Hatton when Floyd decided to open up. Floyd should have just opened up more from the start but that's on him.

pac fought hatton at 140 lbs where hatton is undefeated.

pbf couldn't KO hatton because he's a potshotter.

[Benny Leonard]

Oh the hypocrisy. Let's take a look:

Pac jumps up two more weight classes to fight a 35 year old Oscar, at a weight 3 lbs below where he had fought 7 months prior.

Floyd, at a weight he has been established at for years, asks a 36 year old Marquez to jump up two weight classes, or 9 lbs, above where he has ever fought before.

Pac weighed 147 on fight-night against Diaz. Oscar was 147 on fight-night against Pac. Usually, a WW will gain 10+ pounds by fight-night (unless his name is Floyd). I wonder what Oscar weighed years ago on fight-night when he fought Tito and Shane. Not really sure but it would be interesting. Anyway, we would have to see what his fight-night weight was for Floyd and Forbes because that is the weight he would be coming down from and not the division weight.

Again, losing weight for an Older fighter especially...who hasn't had to make such a weight in years, is much more difficult than increasing your weight when you have the option to only gain a certain amount of your choosing, for example: When Floyd fought Oscar at 154, he did not increase his weight but stayed at his normal fight-time weight while Oscar blew up his weight by fight-time...as well as against Oscar and other opponents.


The funny thing is that everybody wants Floyd to fight the "real" WW, which I agree....but, the point is those "real" WW show up at 157-170 {Clottey} by fight-time.
And when Floyd fought Castillo, he was out-weighed about 9 pounds or so.

[S A M U R A I]

Oh the hypocrisy. Let's take a look:

Pac jumps up two more weight classes to fight a 35 year old Oscar, at a weight 3 lbs below where he had fought 7 months prior.

Yup. The "Oscar was dead" excuse is so ****ing boring. He fought Forbes at 150. He won pretty much every single round. He had months to make the weight for Pacquiao. He lost, got his butt whipped, and even if he'd rehydrated to 200lbs he would have still lost.

Pacquiao is a much better fighter than Oscar De La Hoya. Oscar has no answer for Pacquiao no matter what the weight because he doesn't know how to fight a fast southpaw.

Lil' Valero whipped his ass in sparring. Was Oscar dehydrated and dead then, too?



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[QUOTE=King Cotto;5334106]Floyd will win but its not because Marquez is any less talented or gifted as Floyd. Marquez boxing i.q is just as high as floyds and he has an all around understanding of timing and the sweet science.

Think about this if you will. JMM is not as strong, fast, or as athletic as Manny, but in both fights he was able to use precise punching and beyond accurate timing to negate the effectiveness of a fighter who holds every possible physical advantage over him. JMM was not ducked by Hamed, Barrera and Moralse through out the early part of the decade for no reason.

What he lacks in physicality he makes up for in flawless form and the technical mastery of boxing. Marquez does EVERYTHING right.

Now am I saying JMM has a chance with Floyd? No i dont believe he does and here is my reasoning. Marquez was perfect @ 127 and 130. When he moved up to 135 to fight Cassamayor and Diaz his legs werent as solid as they use to be. He was getting hit a lot more backed up by fighters who arent as good as him. I dont think his age is catching up to him per say but the added weight has taken away alot from him and made him not as elusive and easier to hit. His defense can be broken.

Floyd (though a former 130-135 fighter) has grown into a welterweight body and has taken the reflexes, speed and agility with him all the way up to 157 (where he fought Oscar).

Its not a matter of floyd being smarter in the ring, its a matter of floyd being smarter in negotiations. By making JMM come up to 143, he has guaranteed himself a decent payday against a "brilliant little man". Juan looked shaky at 135 and will look like a bloated ham @ 143 (its a catch weight fight) and will be easy pickings for floyd.

If May would of really wanted a challenge he would have met JMM @ 135 (or shane,clottey,or cotto @ 147), where i would still favor him, but see Marquez as a live underdog.

Im disgusted with the Mayweather camp, because by picking this fight they are turning one of this generations best fighter into a "tune up".

I am a little upset with Juan , because in his never ending quest to "one up" manny, he has agreed to ridiculous terms and is going to be slaughtered.

I know the lot of you are saying "size dont matter" because of what manny did to oscar and hatton. Well friends, Floyd isnt Oscar (who fought once a year for the last 7 years) and has more talent then ricky could ever dream of. Floyd will win.

But rest assured it has nothing to do with him having more ring smarts...its him exploiting Juans need and desire to be mentioned in the same light as Pac and Floyd.

Floyd is a safety first fighter and this fight gives him a huge payday against an amazing (yet tiny) fighter with a built in mexican fan base because god knows floyd cant sell tickets on his own.

And before you jump down my throat for that his fights against with Gatti, Oscar, and Hatton only did huge numbers because all of them were beloved fan favorites, proven ticket sellers and had HUGE fan bases.[/QUOTE]

good point

p4p i think this would be a great fight. if we could end up scaling JMM up then it would be a huge fight and one that floyd would struggle with.

i agree with the analysis of JMM at the higher weights he jasn't looked as sound and ate alot of leather in his last two fights, part of me thinks the manny fights have something to do with it as well.

[boojee]

JMM?

And why is that?

Becuase Pac wont be weight drain at 140lbs

[Benny Leonard]

QUOTE=Pullcounter;5334429]lols... so dlh and hatton take no blame?

does floyd REALLY have to come out of retirement?

ridiculous...

Of course they get blame; they took the fight.

And No, he doesn't have to come out of retirment if he doesn't care what people say about his legacy. But if he cares, yes, he has to come out.

How do you get Floyd to come out of retirement and how do you out-shine Floyd, the regarded best of his generation? If I'm Freddie Roach, I have Pac fight Hatton and Oscar.

lols JMM wanted to fight pbf

He wanted Floyd becausee he wanted Pac. Pac moved up in weight and took on Hatton and Oscar. It all goes together.

p4p #2 + a payday against floyd....

looks like he's getting his due...

That's a different kind of due and for a different reason. But, that's on JMM for not getting the wins over Pac. Maybe he would be bigger then and #2 is always in the background.

of course, he's mexican in the uk

Not the point: It was the Floyd Only Show. And this goes with him not getting his due. But, that's really on JMM for not getting the wins against Pac.

pac fought hatton at 140 lbs where hatton is undefeated.

pbf couldn't KO hatton because he's a potshotter

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Hatton was only undefeated at 140 because he never fought Floyd there who I still say was a better version and the reason why Hatton avoided him after seeing Floyd destroy Gatti.

And that is true: Floyd is a pot-shotter but more so at that time than when hew was at 140 and below. And that is why Hatton decided to fight Floyd when he did and not back when he could have. The Oscar fight convinced him. Unless we buy his build-up story but that just means he wanted to find a fight to cash out on. And why would Floyd wait around 140 for that?
I'll stick with the "Ricky is not ready" statement from his Father.

[nujabes77]

Yup. The "Oscar was dead" excuse is so ****ing boring. He fought Forbes at 150. He won pretty much every single round. He had months to make the weight for Pacquiao. He lost, got his butt whipped, and even if he'd rehydrated to 200lbs he would have still lost.

Pacquiao is a much better fighter than Oscar De La Hoya. Oscar has no answer for Pacquiao no matter what the weight because he doesn't know how to fight a fast southpaw.

Lil' Valero whipped his ass in sparring. Was Oscar dehydrated and dead then, too?

tru


and he thinks mayweathers win over odlh and hatton is all roses. talk about double standards

[Ryn0]

I agree with the analysis completely. I think the fight is going to be a blow out...

[Benny Leonard]

so your admitting that floyd is the same right? why is he then so proud to beat odlh and hatton, calling it his biggerst fights. doesn't that discredit the wins?

the oscar was the same, watch the fight again. manny was just too much that's why he looked like **** in the later rounds. it was all manny, he was just too much

how can you even give that excuse with hatton? i mean pacquiao lost a few times so does manny atg and yet they comeback to be better. that hatton manny got was better, with sr. + at 140. again it was all manny, he was just too much

manny was a first timer at 147/140 too, dont you think that is remarkable to achieve what he had. he moved up two weight classes for the odlh fight. he made the kingpin/undefeated at 140 look like an amateur...


give full credit to manny for beating odlh/hatton. i give your boi full creds for those wins

give credit to the destroyer. you know he deserves it

What???
Floyd is the same fighter?
Confused on what you are exactly saying.



Oscar wasn't the same fighter. He was 147 pounds on fight-night and DEAD. NOT THE SAME.


Hatton didn't do what Sr. told him to do. And, people were calling Hatton past his prime when he fought Lazcano who almost knocked him out. Hatton is lucky he got soft punching Paulie who wouldn't throw because of his brittle hands messed him up mentally because of the surgeries in his next fight.
But Hatton did start to throw his jab in that fight; but it also helped Paulie wasn't throwing back so Ricky never reverted back to "OLD RICK" who was now worn down.

Either way, I still say Pac beats any version of Ricky.


And now, I don't think it is a big deal to be a first timer at 147 when you are fighting a CORPSE.

You know what amazes me...Chris Byrd not getting credit for who he fought despite him being a blown up middle-weight....while these little guys roll around in their handicap division glory.