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  • hollister
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    #31
    I think Duran would have beaten Cotto. He started at 135 but was successful as high as middleweight so the strength wouldn't be an issue and he is far superior both offensively and defensively. I think Leonard would have beaten Mosley, just too fast on his feet and had good power. If Williams fought the Hearns that fought Cuevas, he would lose. He would last some rounds because of his footwork, but the pressure would become too much and he would start to get caught. I think once he started getting caught he would just start to take a beating until he quit or the ref stopped it. My two cents.

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    • AKATheMack
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      #32
      Cotto-Duran would be the most entertaining of the bunch. Cotto might go down late but it would be a war while it lasted.

      Hearns murders PWill.

      Leonard wins pretty handily against Mosley in a fight that was better than the scorecards show.

      Id never make it through the Mayweather- Sweet Pea fight, but it would be very close.

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      • Khalid X
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        #33
        I really don't think Shane and Leonard would be close at all. Shane kryptonite is the jab, because like Ricky Hatton, he likes to lead with hooks and is open up the middle all day. Also as seen in the Winky and Forrest fights, the jab also neutralizes Mosley speed and stops him from setting up. Leonard, who has one of the best jabs, uses his great jab and sticks and moves in the early rounds. Later on in the fight he completly dominates a fustrated Mosley who is reduced to trying to land a big punch to win instead of boxing. Also like someone else state that Leonard is too smart of a fighter for Shane.

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        • BennyST
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          #34
          Originally posted by chilost
          i am keepin it serious. Duran's chin was good but he couldnt take body shots well.
          Couldn't take body shots? Huh? As evidenced by which fights? Was he ever put down by one or crippled by one? Maybe you need to go and watch a 37 year old, fat middleweight Duran take 12 rounds of huge bombs to the body from Iran Barkley, and he was a damn good body puncher, and never once wince, wilt, or otherwise show any ill effects from them.

          Couldn't take it to the body!

          Whereas Cotto, who would walk back to the ropes, without knowing how to move, slip or slide well, would simply take a beating worse than Margarito.

          As someone said Palomino vs Cotto would be a good fight and I personally think Palomino would beat Cotto. He was a better inside fighter, had just as good a body shot, if not better, and actually fought smart when he needed to. He was quite the beast in his time.

          Anyway, as for the others, I think it would be a win for each of the old guys. Leonard would beat Mosley pretty easy. Williams I think just got hit a bit too much, and while the punches of Marg might not do anything, the sharp, accurate, fast body punching and right hand of Hearns could very well put him out. Otherwise I see it as Hearns taking a decision with Williams coming on strong but just not having the skill to get it done.

          Whitaker vs Mayweather is a tough one. I think I would go for Whitaker in a very close fight. Hard to call.
          Last edited by BennyST; 05-17-2009, 12:07 AM.

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          • Khalid X
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            #35
            As for Paul Williams vs Hearnes he is the tail of the tape
            Paul williams
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            82 inch reach

            Thomas Hearns
            6-1
            78 inch reach

            Both got ridiculous reaches and both got great jabs. Paul can double and triple while Hearns has the nasty right that follows behind his. Both are great boxers but where I think Paul does damage is that he can fight and box better than Tommy in several areas. Up close Paul is the better fight on the inside. He also has the better work rate and the stamina gap is huge between the fighters. While Tommy is the bigger puncher, Paul doesn't let him get off and has the chin to sustain the few rights Hearns does land. Williams by UD and maybe even late round stoppage.

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            • AKATheMack
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              #36
              Originally posted by mikedb1984
              As for Paul Williams vs Hearnes he is the tail of the tape
              Paul williams
              6-4
              82 inch reach

              Thomas Hearns
              6-1
              78 inch reach

              Both got ridiculous reaches and both got great jabs. Paul can double and triple while Hearns has the nasty right that follows behind his. Both are great boxers but where I think Paul does damage is that he can fight and box better than Tommy in several areas. Up close Paul is the better fight on the inside. He also has the better work rate and the stamina gap is huge between the fighters. While Tommy is the bigger puncher, Paul doesn't let him get off and has the chin to sustain the few rights Hearns does land. Williams by UD and maybe even late round stoppage.
              Hearns punches are crisper, quicker, more accurate, and far heavier. Hearns beats the brakes off of PWill. Hearns could throw nothing but the jab for 12rds and win a UD.

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              • Khalid X
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                #37
                Maybe with improvement Cotto can continue to develop into a ATG, but as of right now No way does this version of Cotto beat Duran. Duran is know as Hands of stone for a reason and with Cotto's knack for engaging, I can see duran stopping him within 7 rounds. Also I have mentioned this before, I really don't see Cotto as being a big puncher. Say what you want about the hand wraps, Margarito clearly ate all of Cotto's big shots. While both are great boxers and Cotto is not on Durans level yet. Duran by 7-10 round TKO

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by ReppinDubK
                  Hearns punches are crisper, quicker, more accurate, and far heavier. Hearns beats the brakes off of PWill. Hearns could throw nothing but the jab for 12rds and win a UD.
                  Ill give you the more accurate and heavier, but Hearns in this fantasy fight only wins if he lands a huge right hand. PWill easily UD's Hearns especially since Hearns fights in spurts and PWill has a constant attack. Hearns doesnt have the defense to slow down or stop paul and while Hearns is a monster on the offensive end Pwill defiantly has the defense to slow him down. All paul has to do is stay away from getting caught a few times with the right hand and its an easy night for him. Hearns on the other hand has no answer for pwill style.

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by mikedb1984
                    Ill give you the more accurate and heavier, but Hearns in this fantasy fight only wins if he lands a huge right hand. PWill easily UD's Hearns especially since Hearns fights in spurts and PWill has a constant attack. Hearns doesnt have the defense to slow down or stop paul and while Hearns is a monster on the offensive end Pwill defiantly has the defense to slow him down. All paul has to do is stay away from getting caught a few times with the right hand and its an easy night for him. Hearns on the other hand has no answer for pwill style.
                    Only problem with PWills style is it involves throwing a lot of punches which leaves him open to right hands. Ive never rooted against PWill, I even rooted for him against my boy Winky just for the future of boxing, but at 147 I dont think PWill could take the right and I dont think he could avoid it all night hes been hit by lesser fighters.

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                    • BennyST
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                      #40
                      Originally posted by chilost
                      not a fanboy pick homie. I not a blind nuthugger that thinks cotto can beat king kong blind fold'd wih one arm tided behind is bac, like some round here that think that of their fav.

                      Watch the leonard-duran fights & you'll see duran didnt like body shots.
                      What the crap! Man, what are you talking about? You mean that fight where Duran fought like a madman possessed for three minutes of every fifteen rounds and was still going just as strong at the end of those fifteen as he was at the start? Yeah, that really sounds like he gets hurt by body shots.

                      Cotto isn't very effective going backwards. He's ok, but against a good fighter that he won't be able to hit, he is not going to win going backwards. In fact, against a guy like Duran he will get hammered throughout the whole fight.

                      I really don't understand where this body shot stuff is coming into play. I've never seen him hurt by a body shot his whole career. If there is no evidence of something for a guys absurdly long career, it doesn't magically appear for one fight in which Duran suddenly keels over from horrible body shots and only just makes it through the last rounds with Cotto, of all people, coming on strong. When has Cotto ever come on strong at the end of a fight?

                      Duran's style just never gets beat by Cotto's. Duran's only problem was with goes who moved a lot, even then it took until he was past his prime for someone to exploit it, or it took one of the greatest WW's ever to do it in Leonard. Cotto gets eaten alive. Just a bad style match up for him. Worse than Margarito because he will move backwards the same way, but he won't hit Duran with the shots that he hit Marg with.

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