OLD 80s WW VS NEW 00s WW

[FistoftheDallasStar]

I do agree that Shane's speed is on par with Leonards. I'm not gonna argue that. But go back and watch the Forest and Winky fights, fights where Shane was in his prime and at his best. Shane leads with hooks and is open up the middle all day. The jab used by Winky, and especially Forest, neutralized Mosley's speed because right before shane was about to start up...both of those guys fired quick jabs, and that completley disrupted Shane from starting up with his combinations. If Vernon and Winky's jab did that, imagine what Leonard (who has one of the best jabs the division has ever seen) does.

Also Shane does have the power to knock out Leonard, but with Leonards side to side movement, Shane would need an effective jab to close the gap, come in and set up his money shots(which are the hooks to the body/head and right hand). Shane has never had that and I would be surprised if he was able to set up any of his punches the whole fight. The more I think about it the more I think this **** would look like B-hop vs Pavlik, where one boxers timing is completely disrupted and completely out-boxed.

I see what your saying and it could definitley go that route (In my opinion it would be a rematch where this scenerio takes place) Ray was so sure about his speed and reflexes when fighting other not so gifted fighters that it would throw him for a loop seeing a fighter like Shane for the first time.

I thnk Shane's loss to Winky was because he was fighting way too heavy. Vernon Forest was his Achilles heel for sure but he never was KO'd by any of them. Shane shines when he is the underdog as well. Good points, bro.

[El Jesus]

I'm getting really confused by people seeing things that were never there in these guys careers, during their fights, against people who were better.

Leonard no power? Ok. You also said you think Mosley breaks Leonard with his power? Now, I really have no idea what you're talking about with this one. The 'Duran can't take Cotto's body shots' was weird enough but where does this come from? In what fight did you see something that made you think that Mosley, of all people, would break Leonard down?

When was Leonard ever nearly broken down? At WW Mosley eats that jab all night long and never even gets close to hurting him with anything. You've got to be slicker than Mosley to get to Leonard enough to hurt him. You also need to be able to slip a jab or use your own to negate his and Mosley does neither. Watch their fights first.

The thing is, mosley gets frustrated easily. Mosley closes his eyes when he throws big right hands and would DEFINATELY be frustrated by the workrate, speed and constant taunting by leonrd. I dont see how mosley would ever catch up to leonard, Mosley has a chin, but he doesnt have this devastating ability at WW. His notable knockouts came against guys who were stationary (vargas/margarito). If we are talking leonard at welterweight i see mosley being very frustrated, Leonard might get hit, but he would be returning with 3-4 punch combinations, i see mosley losing a 15rd UD.


This **** about Duran is bananas. Duran faced off against the greatest welters that generation saw, including a move up to fight Marvin Hagler. You are telling me that duran "couldnt take it to the body"? What the ****, are we forgetting the mans nickname "the hands of stone". Judah, Margarito, Corley, Malignaggi and Torress have all sent cotto into a tailspin. Will someone explain to me, how he is going to stand up to duran who is known for droppin cats at the drop of a hat. Cotto would have to setup that body attack by absorbing some vicious uppercuts and right hands. Duran would also stand in front of you and use evasive manuvers to dish out more punshiment. You have to be a ****in moron to think cotto sets up some vicious body attack, survives durans best shots, and knocks him out, get the **** outta here.