Teddy says Pernell is higher than Manny on the All Time list...

[talip bin osman]

What do you all think?

Who's accomplishments are better and warrant a higher ranking on the ATG list?

Discuss.

i hav no problem with whitaker ranking higher than manny pacquiao...

sweet pea dominated a single division... manny has not... yet...

[El Chicano]

i hav no problem with whitaker ranking higher than manny pacquiao...

sweet pea dominated a single division... manny has not... yet...

Manny's dominated the top guys in many divisions.

[IMDAZED]

This thread has been just absolutely sickening to read. I fear for the sport...

[cuzfozzy]

he picked hatton to win .. enuff said

[Don Johnson]

I'd say Sweet Pea takes this, I cant believe the poll is even this close.

[-EX-]

This thread has been just absolutely sickening to read. I fear for the sport...

Wait a min...how da **** is Pacquiao winning this poll?

[IMDAZED]

Wait a min...how da **** is Pacquiao winning this poll?

I rest my case. I mean, I love Pac but come on...COME THE **** ON

[wmute]

i hav no problem with whitaker ranking higher than manny pacquiao...

sweet pea dominated a single division... manny has not... yet...

he actually dominated two (35 and 47) ! that makes him very unique. Only other fighter I can think of doing that would be Ray Robinson (47 and 60)

[Bogler]

I am really surprised by some of these answers. I completely agree with Scott also. It's not just slightly debatable with the edge to Pac or anything either. I actually think Whitakers resume is still better, apart from him fighting the same level of fighters who also happened to be in their primes.

The best fighters Pac has faced are Marquez, Barrera, Morales and Oscar. Whitaker faced the best version of Oscar, one who was not even slightly comparable to the fighter Pac faced, and that is no excuse or bias, just plain fact. Pac faced the worst version, Whitaker the best. Go watch the fights.

Barrera, Morales and Marquez. Julio Cesar Chavez, Azumah Nelson and ... well, I was trying to match them up a little but Trinidad is not even remotely similar to Marquez. Chavez and Nelson are better than Barrera, Morales and Marquez. Trinidad is arguable.

Then you have the plethora of 'that era' of champs both guys faced. Whitaker faced more (only just by one or two more champs at 13 from memory) and often very fine fighters just as Pac did. In fact the more I think about this the more I laugh out loud at anyone thinking it's not even debatable. I think it's highly debatable if Pac has a resume as good as Whitakers.

I've always been a stickler for a guy who rules one division for some time also. I think it's nearly a prerequisite for true ATGreatness. They face all the those slightly less known champs who are quite often better then the big names. Think about this: Imagine if Pac cleaned out 130...He could have gone through Barrera, Morales, Marquez and then some other guys like Guzman, who is less known but probably the hardest to beat of the lot. This though is off topic and a general 'what if'.

If anyone can explain why this isn't debatable I would seriously love to hear the reasoning. Maybe it's memory failure, or just never having seen Whitakers fights or any idea who he actually fought. I don't know. "Not even debatable" though? You've got to be kidding me.

I know you would have wmute and I would love to hear why you think he might have the better names. I realise that you're not saying that this isn't debatable though mate.

so what do you think about hatton ruling JWW for 4 yrs. then PAC entering his kingdom and trouncing him.

[Tankster]

Pea much better technical fighter than Pacquiao. But Pacqiuiao is much more exciting than whitaker more than anything. The filipinos career is not yet over we'll where he ends after that. I believe the reason why people like atlas, dundee, etc doesnt like pacquiao is because of his style this old school trainers have'nt seen anybody fight like him. Even emmanuel stewart said that of all his years in boxing he never saw anybody fight like pacquiao. He's more of a boxer, brawler type not much technicality but his speed and quickness makes his style effective. i really dont see pacquiao as a boxer the kid is a fighter. He is one for the ages, we won't see any fighter who fights like him in a hundred years.