I Just Watched Pac-Hatton Last Night And....

[Spray_resistant]

I heard people say how did I get all that from a 2 round destruction and its because I always analyze this stuff. Its like how Roach could pick out all the flaws from a Hatton one sided dominant performance over Paulie. You can see things.

The main thing is Floyd Senior. When Hatton loses then everyone looks at him like he doesnt know what he's talking about but everything he said is actually true. Its not just trash talk. Alot of things Pac does is amaturish but he can get away with it because he's so physicaly gifted and mostly because he's a Southpaw which is a huge advantage in boxing. If he was a righty then JMM wouldve destroyed him in both fights, easily. Again, Im not a Pac hater. Im just telling you what I honestly saw. He's highly highly flawed.

One poster talked about earlier in his career and Im not saying that. He's definatly grown alot and can do more things but his basic fundementals in doing it are flawed. A great pure boxer can make him look bad and thats what JMM has done even though he's out gunned in so many physical catagories. Floyd will do the same x10

Pac is no master boxer I will give you that, but it is hard to say how well Floyd will do against him until after his fight with JMM. We shouldn't presume Floyd will be the same Floyd we are used to seeing. Pac also proved he has a great deal of power at 140 and perhaps higher, and because Floyd is rarely hit with a flush shot I personally still wonder about his chin and how it would handle Pacquiao's power. If Floyd has lost a step it could change things, we just have to wait and see.

[Kevin Jesus]

"peeleft:

Like I said in another thread, Champ you're just a cheerleader for Mayweather haters. You never have anything important to say.

this is all you say:

"Owned!!!!!!!!!!"

"Co-sign lololololol!!!!!!!1111"

"****** *****s are ****** bwahahahahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111"

[DLT]

Can u elaborate exactly how flawed he is? Coz all I saw in that fight(especially the knockdowns) were the most picture-perfect punches comparable to anything JMM has ever thrown. I'm talking perfect punches here, ko-of-the-decade type quality...which landed in multiple occasions. Such punches requires timing, placement, power, and balance...yet u say he is amateurish. Maybe he's just damned lucky huh?

Yeah but like I always say, Southpaw has alot to do with that and he wasnt fighting exactly the hardest to hit guy in the world. Again, I think being a Southpaw is a huge advantage and thats why I say that I will give them more of a chance against Floyd then anyone. I dont think a righty can hit a Prime Mayweather clean but a Southpaw can catch even the best defensive guys and Pac still may do that. He has his chance to catch Floyd in the first 3 rounds or so but after that I think Floyd will teach a class on him. Hatton cant fight Southpaws well. They do everything opposite and you can see that Hatton had no idea how to attack Pac. He was completely thrown off and couldnt even see the basic of punches coming. Its like Wlad vs Sanders

[Benny Leonard]

Bro, you keep talkin' about his fundamentals. PAC is who he is, and even Roach said, he's not trying change PAC into a totally different fighter, it doesn't work

YOu have to remember, Roach took PAC on when he was already in his 20's. All he can do is improve on PAC's already strong areas and bring out other strong areas and sharpening them. PAC's biggest improvement to me is, he's actually thinking in the ring now.

And how do you know Floyd is gonna be faster and that his defense/reflexes is gonna be the same, let me remind you, Floyd has been on a near 2 year hiatus. It's possible that Floyd is the same Floyd, or he may have slipped some.

I'd hate to make this comparison, but there's weaknesses in Floyd, his lack of activity, and we all know PAC, whether he's taking an ass kicking or being frustrated, he stays in the fight, he keeps workin'. PAC will either be Floyd's Baldomir x's 10 or Floyd's Tarver!! Either way, Floyd ain't gonna have it easy like you think.

PAC is a different kind of animal Floyd has ever faced! Whether it's the old Floyd or a Floyd that has slipped some, PAC has an inside shot at victory against any version of Floyd.

I would also add the right-hook is top-notch now. He is also bigger than before and seemingly stronger, more powerful, and possibly faster which is crazy considering he has been moving up in weight. His stamina also seems to still be very good

I thought Floyd was slowing down when he was at 147 than his prior weights at 130-140. Plus the activity level inside the ring wasn't much either compared. He became more of a pot-shot artist.
And I've been saying that as well, same with JMM saying it: we don't know where Floyd is at right now.
People just keep thinking of what they last saw but everybody ages and inactivity is the worse thing for an elite athlete. Freddie Roach even pointed it out many times: You can't be a part time fighter and do well. You have to keep your fighter busy to be Good.
Fighters also start to pace themselves more as they get into their 30's and their legs don't seem quite the same as when they were at their best.
Then you have the Mental side to it: He did retire already and went into retirement with no joy for the sport. And now he comes back, why? Is it the Money troubles we are hearing about or is it that his legacy is at threat?
Not sure.

I say we wait and see.

[DLT]

Pac is no master boxer I will give you that, but it is hard to say how well Floyd will do against him until after his fight with JMM. We shouldn't presume Floyd will be the same Floyd we are used to seeing. Pac also proved he has a great deal of power at 140 and perhaps higher, and because Floyd is rarely hit with a flush shot I personally still wonder about his chin and how it would handle Pacquiao's power. If Floyd has lost a step it could change things, we just have to wait and see.

Thats true and could easily be the case. A ton of experts biggest reason for picking Pac should they meet is because they think Floyd wont be the same guy after the long layoff or atleast not that soon. I think Floyd has a beast chin and I honestly dont think a righty can hit him clean or can hurt him if they do. However, I do think a lefty can hurt him like Chop did and Zab landed a couple of nice shots. Alot of times against a Southpaw you either cant see the punch coming or you can see it, run the perfect D, and still cant stop it. Its easy to get out of range of a righty but alot of times you think your out of range against a Southpaw but they still hit you flush on the chin. Pac has a chance to do that to Floyd but I do think he may have less of a chance of even a Zab, Mitchell, or Corley because I think there better pure boxers. Pac does throw straight punches though so he could do something. I keep saying that he better hurt Floyd bad in the first 3 or 4 rounds or the fight is over

[GoAltYourFace]

[IMG]http://i490.***********.com/albums/rr264/crazynoob/mayweatherjudah.gif[/IMG]

[Kevin Jesus]

you guys are insane if you think that he beats Floyd. If you bet on him then you will go broke. Not only will he lose but he will look like a clown in the process. I use to think that Pac had grown as an all around fighter but he hasnt. He's still basically the same guy and thats why JMM will always give him hell. No way he kills JMM at 140 like people think. He's still pretty sloppy and doesnt have great fundementals. He has good footwork when it comes to doing what he wants to do but his footwork is horrible if you make him do something else. Hatton just played right into his hands. People think that he's so different from the guy that fought JMM but look at who he's fought. He fought Diaz, Oscar, and Hatton. 3 guys with horrible skills at this stage of there career who all were coming right at him with no D.

Its a completely different fight with Floyd. It would be exactly like Pac fighting JMM except Floyd's bigger, stonger, faster, has a much better defense, is taller, and even though the haterz dont want to beleive it, he's actually smarter and is a better pure boxer then JMM. Trust me, Im not a hater. I actually was worried that Pac may give him hell. I thought because Pac was a Southpaw and all this that he may give Floyd real trouble. Ive always said that the only way to beat Floyd is to either be so much bigger then him that all he can do is pot shot or you have to be a Southpaw who catches him. I thought Pac's combo of size, speed, power, and Southpaw style may give Floyd serious trouble. I saw Zab land a few shots early until Floyd figured him out and I saw Chop catch him and land a few shots but guess what? Zab, Chop, and Mitchell are all way way way better pure boxers then Pac. I thought he had grown but he hasnt. Floyd would eat him up and it would be easy. People are insane when they say that Floyd wont want the fight. I bet he wants that fight more then anything because he knows that he will dominate him and I think Roach is even worried about it.

Seriously though, I think not only does Floyd win but he wins easily and makes Pac look like a straight amature. It would be like all the JMM highlights against Pac but Floyd will be doing it non stop all fight because his D is superior to JMM and he's faster and stronger. He'll outclass Pac so bad and then stop him. This will be a mega event and its going to end by a shocking one sided KO with Pac looking like he wasnt even close to being in Floyd's league. He's still sloppy, off balance, and basic with his punches. Theyre so basic and if you think that stuff that works on David Diaz, Hatton, and a zombied Oscar will work on Floyd then you are in for the shock of your life. He'll beat Pac so bad that it will make him darn near legendary in the mainstream. As good as I think that Floyd is, the Pac fight will make him look even better because of there styles and skill level. I added this in a later post but its one of the main reasons why I wrote this and that is to say that Pac is wide open for the straight right. Southpaws are open to it but he's way way open to it and he cant counter with that right hook because Floyd keeps his left hand up unlike Hatton. Floyd will land that punch a million times in this fight and make the crowd saw ooh every time. There are going to be a ton of ooh punches in this fight from Floyd because the difference in pure skill levels. You will see his punches so clean while Pac will mostly land grazing stuff at best

Great post, forget the haters saying you don't know what you're talking about.

[HatreD]

I would also add the right-hook is top-notch now. He is also bigger than before and seemingly stronger, more powerful, and possibly faster which is crazy considering he has been moving up in weight. His stamina also seems to still be very good

I thought Floyd was slowing down when he was at 147 than his prior weights at 130-140. Plus the activity level inside the ring wasn't much either compared. He became more of a pot-shot artist.
And I've been saying that as well, same with JMM saying it: we don't know where Floyd is at right now.
People just keep thinking of what they last saw but everybody ages and inactivity is the worse thing for an elite athlete. Freddie Roach even pointed it out many times: You can't be a part time fighter and do well. You have to keep your fighter busy to be Good.
Fighters also start to pace themselves more as they get into their 30's and their legs don't seem quite the same as when they were at their best.
Then you have the Mental side to it: He did retire already and went into retirement with no joy for the sport. And now he comes back, why? Is it the Money troubles we are hearing about or is it that his legacy is at threat?
Not sure.

I say we wait and see.

This. Good post man..

[Obusv477]

Yeah but like I always say, Southpaw has alot to do with that and he wasnt fighting exactly the hardest to hit guy in the world. Again, I think being a Southpaw is a huge advantage and thats why I say that I will give them more of a chance against Floyd then anyone. I dont think a righty can hit a Prime Mayweather clean but a Southpaw can catch even the best defensive guys and Pac still may do that. He has his chance to catch Floyd in the first 3 rounds or so but after that I think Floyd will teach a class on him. Hatton cant fight Southpaws well. They do everything opposite and you can see that Hatton had no idea how to attack Pac. He was completely thrown off and couldnt even see the basic of punches coming. Its like Wlad vs Sanders

Im actually pullin for Floyd here but I keep remembering that compact right Zab landed on Floyd and how it looks very similar to the one Pac landed on Hatton. IMO if Floyd is still the same Floyd he can pull this one out, but by no means is this an easy fight. And for real, if anything Pac deserves the benefit of the doubt. U dont get all this livin legend ATG talk for being amateurish.

[DLT]

Im actually pullin for Floyd here but I keep remembering that compact right Zab landed on Floyd and how it looks very similar to the one Pac landed on Hatton. IMO if Floyd is still the same Floyd he can pull this one out, but by no means is this an easy fight. And for real, if anything Pac deserves the benefit of the doubt. U dont get all this livin legend ATG talk for being amateurish.

Chavez is an ATG but is flawed. You can be that way. Pac is a beast and I would still pick him against alot of guys but I just feel that Floyd is all wrong for him in the same way that Mosley is all wrong for Margarito and Pac is all wrong for Hatton