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  • Originally posted by GRUSTLER View Post
    I mean, Miguel Cotto is indeed an entertaining fighter but once
    he said after the Margarito fight that the reason why he didn't
    clinch or hold was because that's not what Boxing is about?
    Those are words from a good fighter not a great one. I think
    Cotto could have beat Margarito but he did not study him and
    completely underestimated Antonio Margarito, eventhough they
    fought on the same card prior to their fight. Miguel Cotto has
    potential to be a better fighter but he still needs work at
    his fundamentals. I think the Margarito fight is a perfect example
    to see how he adapts in the ring when his power and pressure is
    neutralized.

    People keep making excuses that Margarito used Plaster but if that
    is the case who knows how long he has been using it? So if he used
    it agaisnt Cotto then he used it before Cotto and with that said then
    he had it on with Paul Williams but did Paul fight Margarito like that?
    Did Joshua Clottey fight Margarito like that? & Clottey had a broken
    hand. The reason I say he is overrated is because he did not come
    to the ring with a plan on how to beat the bigger man and couldn't
    adapt to the pressure and laid on the ropes, totally giving the 1
    dimensional fighter the advantage over his superiority skill wise.

    Again, people say Margarito had Plaster but we have to take into consideration that he had it for Williams and clottey too but they
    fought Margarito with a smarter game plan. Clottey lost but survived
    injured? I feel Cotto was just feeling himself too much and he even said
    before the Margarito fight that he felt invincible, so he slept on
    his opposition and paid for it. He's good but not great.
    I agree Cotto did not have a good game plan coming into that fight or at least didnt have a good alternate game plan. Realistically though Cotto has trained himself or at the very least hasnt had a dedicated trainer to take care of things like strategy. Now with or without Plaster maybe Margarito is simply Cotto's kryptonite. Margarito has a granite chin, insane workrate and the way he and Cotto match up physically well you ve seen the pictures. It is obvious that you are a very smart guy when it comes to boxing. It should be pretty easy for you to realize that the same guy that pummeled Margarito was beaten by Cotto in a showcase fight. Cotto has earned respect as a current great fighter, not ATG or at least quite far down on the list but no doubt he gets the nod as one o the best currently. by the way love your pics with Bhop, ****in cool man!

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    • Originally posted by GRUSTLER View Post
      I mean, Miguel Cotto is indeed an entertaining fighter but once
      he said after the Margarito fight that the reason why he didn't
      clinch or hold was because that's not what Boxing is about?
      Those are words from a good fighter not a great one. I think
      Cotto could have beat Margarito but he did not study him and
      completely underestimated Antonio Margarito, eventhough they
      fought on the same card prior to their fight. Miguel Cotto has
      potential to be a better fighter but he still needs work at
      his fundamentals. I think the Margarito fight is a perfect example
      to see how he adapts in the ring when his power and pressure is
      neutralized.

      People keep making excuses that Margarito used Plaster but if that
      is the case who knows how long he has been using it? So if he used
      it agaisnt Cotto then he used it before Cotto and with that said then
      he had it on with Paul Williams but did Paul fight Margarito like that?
      Did Joshua Clottey fight Margarito like that? & Clottey had a broken
      hand. The reason I say he is overrated is because he did not come
      to the ring with a plan on how to beat the bigger man and couldn't
      adapt to the pressure and laid on the ropes, totally giving the 1
      dimensional fighter the advantage over his superiority skill wise.

      Again, people say Margarito had Plaster but we have to take into consideration that he had it for Williams and clottey too but they
      fought Margarito with a smarter game plan. Clottey lost but survived
      injured? I feel Cotto was just feeling himself too much and he even said
      before the Margarito fight that he felt invincible, so he slept on
      his opposition and paid for it. He's good but not great.
      First off let me correct you because joshua clottey didnt actually have a broken hand search it and see. Also Margarito lost to Paul after that i believe he had what 5 or 6 losses so he might have started using it after that since he was like i might not get my chance at cotto or at the big time again since receiving another loss. Im not saying im right im saying its a possibility and he might have started using it after he loss to paul. Also Paul williams wasnt even that known when he fought him so he probably though he was goin to win but loss.

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      • Originally posted by GRUSTLER View Post
        I would love to see Floyd fight anyone of them and hope he does.
        The overall aspect of him being my favorite fighter spans throughout
        his WHOLE CAREER, not just 1 division. Cotto/Mosley/Margarito
        may have a better resume at 147 than Floyd but Floyd has had the
        more accomplished and dominating career. Paul Williams resume is
        not even better than Floyd's at 147? Beats Margarito than loses to
        Quintana in his first title defense then wins the rematch and that's pretty much his 147 run. Cotto beats Quintana, Judah (So did Floyd), Beats
        Mosley, fights Gomez (gift win), loses to Margarito, beats Jennings,
        (Gift win). Margarito, beats Clottey (Good win) Beats Cintron, loses
        to Paul, beats Cintron again, beats Cotto, Gets beat by Mosley and is
        exposed as a cheater in the same night. Mosley and Floyd careers
        are more impressive to me.


        grustlah,

        its not about having a better resume. if that was the case nobody would be able to get a fight with ray robinson, duran, ray leonard. Nobody can get a fight now w/ pacquiao. Of course people are gonna have better resume than the other boxers. That doesnt mean u dont have to fight him. Sure fraud jr's resume is better than cotto, but if he takes him on it will only enhance both of their records. Fighting marquez only adds to the criticism.

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        • Originally posted by savorduhflavor View Post
          He's stubborn, but to me, when someone's main problem is game planning and refusing to clinch, and the fighter is 28, that's pretty impressive.

          I agree he's an idiot and it pisses me off with his too macho to clinch thing. And I agree that he didn't adapt well to Margarito's pressure, but that's the only time we've seen him not adapt well.

          Cotto has great skills, and he has good fundamentals. I think you're confusing fundamentals with game planning. Clinching isn't a fundamental. Cotto has good footwork, tight punches that he can throw with both hands. Cotto in the hands of the right trainer, IMO, can be as good as any fighter going right now with the exception of Floyd.

          I think you're "Cotto is overrated" thing is more a reaction to Cotto fans that bother you.
          Cotto has the talent and power but he just doesn't have the
          technical mind frame to win in a drastic situation. His power
          has been what catipulted him to the status he was at before
          he fought Margarito. You take his pressure and power away
          then he is there for the taking. I am curious to see what
          Cotto will do come June 13th to see how well he has improved.

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          • Originally posted by GetSumBrah View Post
            grustlah,

            its not about having a better resume. if that was the case nobody would be able to get a fight with ray robinson, duran, ray leonard. Nobody can get a fight now w/ pacquiao. Of course people are gonna have better resume than the other boxers. That doesnt mean u dont have to fight him. Sure fraud jr's resume is better than cotto, but if he takes him on it will only enhance both of their records. Fighting marquez only adds to the criticism.
            Like I said. I am fan of Floyd Mayweather Jr because he is in my
            eyes a great fighter & I respect his talent more than his trash talk.
            Last edited by GRUSTLER; 05-06-2009, 11:10 PM.

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            • Originally posted by GRUSTLER View Post
              Cotto has the talent and power but he just doesn't have the
              technical mind frame to win in a drastic situation. His power
              has been what catipulted him to the status he was at before
              he fought Margarito. You take his pressure and power away
              then he is there for the taking. I am curious to see what
              Cotto will do come June 13th to see how well he has improved.
              That's where we disagree. How about the Mosley fight? That wasn't all pressure and power. The kid is technically sound. He has one of the best jabs in the business. I actually think you underrate him a little....

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              • Originally posted by savorduhflavor View Post
                That's where we disagree. How about the Mosley fight? That wasn't all pressure and power. The kid is technically sound. He has one of the best jabs in the business. I actually think you underrate him a little....
                i find funny when people say he ran the last 3 rds against mosley...he clearly outbox ssm,landing the better blows and boxing. why risk getting headbutted it actually happend cus mosley was desperately trying to get to cotto. he can box and brawl, but definately had the wrong plan against Cheato

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                • Originally posted by savorduhflavor View Post
                  That's where we disagree. How about the Mosley fight? That wasn't all pressure and power. The kid is technically sound. He has one of the best jabs in the business. I actually think you underrate him a little....
                  I give Cotto his due to an extent but to say that he is a complete fighter/boxer would not be real coming from me if I'm not feeling it. I followed Cotto's career and have seen him in very vulnerable situations and easily compromised by lesser fighters. I think his most dominate wins at 147 are Quintana, Gomez and Jennings. Some would say Judah but Zab had him on front street for a minute until the low blows. Not saying that he is not good but I'm just not convinced that he is there yet but that's just my opinion dosen't have to mean anything.

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                  • Originally posted by freedom213 View Post
                    I agree Cotto did not have a good game plan coming into that fight or at least didnt have a good alternate game plan. Realistically though Cotto has trained himself or at the very least hasnt had a dedicated trainer to take care of things like strategy. Now with or without Plaster maybe Margarito is simply Cotto's kryptonite. Margarito has a granite chin, insane workrate and the way he and Cotto match up physically well you ve seen the pictures. It is obvious that you are a very smart guy when it comes to boxing. It should be pretty easy for you to realize that the same guy that pummeled Margarito was beaten by Cotto in a showcase fight. Cotto has earned respect as a current great fighter, not ATG or at least quite far down on the list but no doubt he gets the nod as one o the best currently. by the way love your pics with Bhop, ****in cool man!
                    Miguel Cotto is definitely one of the best at 147. I would say Mosley
                    first then Cotto second. Cotto's going to have to fight Clottey for
                    that slot on June 13th. Floyd just came back so if he wants a slot
                    at 147 then he is going to have to prove it by fighting either or both
                    of those guys. THANKS! Glad that you like the pics. Yeah,
                    a friend of mine introduced me and Bernhard and he is a good guy.
                    Chilled with him during the day at the Magic Clothing Convention and
                    later that night at the Maxim Magazine party at the Ghost Bar in Las
                    Vegas (INSANE).

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                    • Cotto is getting way ahead of himself. I don't even know if he'll make it past Clottey. Besides that, I have next to no interest seeing Cotto-Paquiao. Cotto needs to fight Mosley so we can determine a new Welterweight champ (should he actually make it past Clottey).

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