Marquez Says Mayweather First, Then Pacquiao Trilogy

[handler000]

Fair enough. Of all the fights I have seen of Corrales, the only one he looked drained beyond belief was the Mayweather fight, and his performance reflected that. Diego was never known for not being knocked down, but he almost always got up, and that was part of him being great in my opinion.

As far as Mosley goes, you seem to have a problem with him as a fighter, kind of similar to how I feel about Mayweather. I never dispute Mayweather's talent however as a fighter. I simply don't like his style, his constant praise of himself, and his better than you mentality. Part of the reason I like Mosley is because he is a humble champion and doesn't resort to cherry picking fights(until RECENTLY, I highly disagree with his choice in fighting Pacquiao) unlike Mayweather, who is highly known for cherry picking his fights since oh about 2003.

Until Floyd takes some risks and fights people he can possibly lose to, he's not getting any respect as an all time great from me or anyone else who doesn't worship the ground he walks on.

I dont think its about worshipping Floyd. But I dont see him possibly losing to anyone besides PWill. I wouldnt advise anyone to fight him at 147. But then again Al Haymon doesnt allow his fighters to fight one another. So that is a moot point. So who do you think can possibly beat him at 147?

[mrosborne]

Ok Grustler:
I think Mosley is a GREAT, TOUGH, SOB but it is documented
that he ducked Floyd and no one pays any attention to that.
Here is my repost from a previous thread and hopefully THIS TIME.
Someone responds to it........

March 9, 2007


"I will help Oscar out and keep myself in shape as well," Mosley said. "I'm probably the closest thing fighting to Mayweather right now, so it will be a good advantage for Oscar to work with me. I will get some fight tapes and study Mayweather and his style. I will be able to imitate him and help Oscar dismantle Mayweather." De La Hoya is already in camp and didn't want to discuss it, but the idea
was hatched a few months ago when Golden Boy matchmaker Eric Gomez, also one of De La Hoya's best friends, was trying to come up with a list of possible sparring partners.

"I had discussions with Oscar about who can help him because there really isn't anyone out there that fights like Floyd," Gomez said. "He's the best technician in the game and he has the combination of speed and technical skills. It kept popping into my mind that the closest to him was Shane. So, I told Oscar that I had come up with the best possible sparring partner."
"I will try not to make it competitive. I don't want it to be competitive," Mosley said. " This is for Oscar's benefit. I will not try to outshine Oscar because this is not about me. I'm going to do what I can do to imitate Mayweather. I will make it difficult for Oscar to hit me, like Mayweather will."

Do you really think Floyd was scared of Shane? Mosley tried to imitate
PBF to help Oscar and failed? For the full article go here:http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/box...dan&id=2792836




I'll respond.

First off, Shane in his own words on why Floyd won't fight him, and this was recently:

http://www.tmz.com/videos?autoplay=t...b-bc0996e546c6

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=19409


Yes, I think Floyd is scared to fight him as of now. Was he in the past when he called out Shane twice and Shane didn't fight him? Who knows. Maybe it was all hype and he would have priced himself out citing himself as a larger draw. Let's face it. Just recently Floyd Mayweather Jr put on a charade for Don King to act as if he was signing up with him, but it was all a ploy for him to get GBP to fold to his asking price with the threat of Don King snatching him up. It worked. Take Winky for example. He swears up and down that people lowball him to avoid him before the Punisher beat him. He won't have that problem anymore as he lost, but you get my point. People find their excuses one way or another.

How do you explain Mayweather Jr not fighting Shane right now? He could have came back and immediately fought him instead of the much smaller Marquez, but didn't. Shane straight up called him out and Floyd said no. Is he not ducking Shane? I mean, is it even disputable?

[jetgeomcx]

the last waltz

I agree. I love JMM and although I don't think it's going to be a blow out like everyone is suggesting I don't think he can pull this one off
But a 3rd fight with Pacman is definitely a MUST!

i have come to respect jmm after his sensational wins at LW.
he has a brave warrior's heart going into this fyt.
at first i thought he will chicken out when mw sent feelers of accepting his challenge.
i really hope that juanma will pull this off, like pulling a rabbit out of a hat, short of a miracle.
i want him to do his last waltz with manny...and get retired.
just like how manny retired the other mexican greats.
and if jmm loses, i have to console myself.....

early bet: my 50K that floyd stops jmm

[GRUSTLER]

Ok Grustler:
I think Mosley is a GREAT, TOUGH, SOB but it is documented
that he ducked Floyd and no one pays any attention to that.
Here is my repost from a previous thread and hopefully THIS TIME.
Someone responds to it........

March 9, 2007


"I will help Oscar out and keep myself in shape as well," Mosley said. "I'm probably the closest thing fighting to Mayweather right now, so it will be a good advantage for Oscar to work with me. I will get some fight tapes and study Mayweather and his style. I will be able to imitate him and help Oscar dismantle Mayweather." De La Hoya is already in camp and didn't want to discuss it, but the idea
was hatched a few months ago when Golden Boy matchmaker Eric Gomez, also one of De La Hoya's best friends, was trying to come up with a list of possible sparring partners.

"I had discussions with Oscar about who can help him because there really isn't anyone out there that fights like Floyd," Gomez said. "He's the best technician in the game and he has the combination of speed and technical skills. It kept popping into my mind that the closest to him was Shane. So, I told Oscar that I had come up with the best possible sparring partner."
"I will try not to make it competitive. I don't want it to be competitive," Mosley said. " This is for Oscar's benefit. I will not try to outshine Oscar because this is not about me. I'm going to do what I can do to imitate Mayweather. I will make it difficult for Oscar to hit me, like Mayweather will."

Do you really think Floyd was scared of Shane? Mosley tried to imitate
PBF to help Oscar and failed? For the full article go here:http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/box...dan&id=2792836




I'll respond.

First off, Shane in his own words on why Floyd won't fight him, and this was recently:

http://www.tmz.com/videos?autoplay=t...b-bc0996e546c6

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=19409


Yes, I think Floyd is scared to fight him as of now. Was he in the past when he called out Shane twice and Shane didn't fight him? Who knows. Maybe it was all hype and he would have priced himself out citing himself as a larger draw. Let's face it. Just recently Floyd Mayweather Jr put on a charade for Don King to act as if he was signing up with him, but it was all a ploy for him to get GBP to fold to his asking price with the threat of Don King snatching him up. It worked. Take Winky for example. He swears up and down that people lowball him to avoid him before the Punisher beat him. He won't have that problem anymore as he lost, but you get my point. People find their excuses one way or another.

How do you explain Mayweather Jr not fighting Shane right now? He could have came back and immediately fought him instead of the much smaller Marquez, but didn't. Shane straight up called him out and Floyd said no. Is he not ducking Shane? I mean, is it even disputable?

Come on MrOsborn? Shane after Antonio Margarito said that he
wanted Floyd Mayweather Jr right? Then he calls Floyd out of
retirement and tries to offer him $8MIL? Who's fronting Shane
or Floyd? I don't care what Shane says about Floyd because
Shane didn't want the fight some years ago, Floyd did because
he wasn't a name yet, Shane didn't want it so he went to Oscar.
I just posted how Mosley tried to imitate Floyd's style because
NO ONE was able to match Floyd and all you reply back to me
is that Floyd priced himself out to avoid Mosley? Mosley couldn't
even effectively duplicate Floyd's style to help Oscar? Shane
Low balled himself on purpose to make it seem like PBF was
scared of him. EVERYONE and their mothers know that Floyd
wasn't coming back for $8MIL. Talking about Hypocrite huh?

[mrosborne]

I dont think its about worshipping Floyd. But I dont see him possibly losing to anyone besides PWill. I wouldnt advise anyone to fight him at 147. But then again Al Haymon doesnt allow his fighters to fight one another. So that is a moot point. So who do you think can possibly beat him at 147?

As I always try to do, I examine each fighter and their style as the old adage goes Styles make fights, and try to objectively pick which has the best chances to prevail.

To answer your question, at 147 I believe Mosley has the best chance to defeat Mayweather. He has the hand speed, the footwork, experience, and Shane would most certainly be the most dangerous puncher Mayweather has ever fought and ever will fight. Name one person Mayweather has fought that was a one punch KO artist. I'll save you some time: You can't. Combine that with the speed of Mosley and there you have it.

The only other possibility I see at the moment to beat Mayweather at 147 is Cotto, and my reasons for that are as follows:

1. Mayweather doesn't have the power to hurt Cotto. He hasn't shown any power at 147, has admitted he has fragile hands, and potshots aren't going to do anything to Miguel except piss him off.

2. Cotto cuts off the ring very well, and is a pressure fighter. Now you'll say well Hatton didn't too well and he fits both those categories. My answer to that is Cotto is bigger, stronger, and not as reckless as Hatton. As much as I love Hatton as a fighter he simply got too reckless and you can't do that against Mayweather. Pressure and a good jab is the way to beat him, and Ricky got frustrated and leapt in directly to Mayweather. Cotto is patient and will not get reckless.

3. Cotto has the power to hurt Mayweather. He would be facing the hardest puncher he has fought, and a murderous body puncher at that. Cotto lands a few of those left hooks to Floyd he's going to slow down. Combine that with his ability to seamlessly transition to southpaw(as he is a converted righty anyway), and that is BIG trouble for Mayweather.

Thoughts?

[z28ss6706]

Marquez is a lot better fighter now than De La Hoya was when he fought Mayweather, and Oscar only lost by 1 point. I think this will be an interesting fight.

[mrosborne]

Come on MrOsborn? Shane after Antonio Margarito said that he
wanted Floyd Mayweather Jr right? Then he calls Floyd out of
retirement and tries to offer him $8MIL? Who's fronting Shane
or Floyd?

I thought Margarito offered 8 million for Mayweather to fight him and PBF declined. That's where that "most feared man in boxing" label came from for Margarito. To my knowledge there never was an offer of any money whatsoever as Shane never said one, nor did Floyd come out and say he got an offer he thought wasn't up to his standards.

I don't care what Shane says about Floyd because
Shane didn't want the fight some years ago, Floyd did because
he wasn't a name yet, Shane didn't want it so he went to Oscar.
I just posted how Mosley tried to imitate Floyd's style because
NO ONE was able to match Floyd and all you reply back to me
is that Floyd priced himself out to avoid Mosley? Mosley couldn't
even effectively duplicate Floyd's style to help Oscar? Shane
Low balled himself on purpose to make it seem like PBF was
scared of him. EVERYONE and their mothers know that Floyd
wasn't coming back for $8MIL. Talking about Hypocrite huh?

If you think about it, each time Shane didn't accept a fight with Mayweather it's because Shane was the draw at the time, not Mayweather. Mayweather still had something to prove to everyone at that point and needed a solid name on his resume, and still does now if he wants to be an ATG. As far as Sugar trying to help Oscar by imitating PBF for sparring purposes goes, I don't see how that's important really. Oscar lost that fight because he stopped jabbing. He was winning and showed the blueprint needed to beat Floyd which is behind a steady jab because it disrupts Floyd's rolling and counter rhythm.

Furthermore, if Floyd is so concerned about being this greatest of all time, why not take 8 million to prove it? He's rich beyond his wildest dreams according to him, so who gives a ****? Fight for 8 million and prove you are the best that he seems to believe he is so much.

[Sttuddahboy619]

I like Marquez's confidence but if he loses to PBF, I highly doubt there would be a trilogy with Pac!

[z28ss6706]

Manny throws a lot of punches and in combination! Mayweather's only combination is a one-two at best. He is pretty much a defensive fighter. Marquez will have less to worry about unless floyd has more power than pacman, I dont think so!!

[Pullcounter]

I think Floyd just sharpened his game up and breaks a fighter
will down then takes them out like he was doing against Zab
Judah and Ricky Hatton. Slowly discouraging them then taking
them apart. Speed is definitely good but when you are as accurate
as Floyd and fast too, then you will always have a shot if you come
to the ring with your A game. JMM is very good but he is open for
the flush power shot and has tasted the mat on several occasions
and with Floyd's counter punch accuracy & speed JMM could be
going to sleep early if he's not careful.

actually i think floyd was alot sharper when he was throwing combinations.