Marquez Says Mayweather First, Then Pacquiao Trilogy

[mrosborne]

Cotto has some discipline but he is still a pressure fighter. I
remember Floyd said "Cotto thinks the way to beat me is pressure
but that's not it" Pressure fighters who rely on power keep themselves
open and subject to counters. Judah had the right plan but not the
heart to execute effectively because if he did he could have finished
Cotto early.

Pressure is the way to beat Mayweather, but the reason all the pressure fighters failed is simple: They didn't have the jab. Oscar did, and had he kept using it start to finish he would have won. At that, he barely lost. It did show FMJ's weakness though, it is very plain to see throughout the fight. This is exactly why I am picking Mosley as the one to beat Mayweather. The man is a pressure fighter who has a great jab when he sits on it(not that flicking bull**** he did in the Cotto fight, think the Margarito fight type jab), and he always comes forward with speed and power. He simply has the power, speed, JAB, and the experience to put it all together and beat Mayweather. Floyd knows it too. He will never fight Shane.

[handler000]

Pressure is the way to beat Mayweather, but the reason all the pressure fighters failed is simple: They didn't have the jab. Oscar did, and had he kept using it start to finish he would have won. At that, he barely lost. It did show FMJ's weakness though, it is very plain to see throughout the fight. This is exactly why I am picking Mosley as the one to beat Mayweather. The man is a pressure fighter who has a great jab when he sits on it(not that flicking bull**** he did in the Cotto fight, think the Margarito fight type jab), and he always comes forward with speed and power. He simply has the power, speed, JAB, and the experience to put it all together and beat Mayweather. Floyd knows it too. He will never fight Shane.

Mosley just found a jab against Margs. He always used his jab to pity pat or as a range finder. That was not part of the "Power Boxing" that Jack taught him.

[GRUSTLER]

Pressure is the way to beat Mayweather, but the reason all the pressure fighters failed is simple: They didn't have the jab. Oscar did, and had he kept using it start to finish he would have won. At that, he barely lost. It did show FMJ's weakness though, it is very plain to see throughout the fight. This is exactly why I am picking Mosley as the one to beat Mayweather. The man is a pressure fighter who has a great jab when he sits on it(not that flicking bull**** he did in the Cotto fight, think the Margarito fight type jab), and he always comes forward with speed and power. He simply has the power, speed, JAB, and the experience to put it all together and beat Mayweather. Floyd knows it too. He will never fight Shane.

Oscar stopped using the jab because Floyd made him pay everytime
he threw a punch. On top of that Oscar was crazy bigger than Floyd
with a longer reach than Cotto. Mosely is just too open and doesn't
like to box much and loses is footing sometimes when he swings.
A big mistake going up against Floyd. Mosley was trained to ******
with Mexicans who stand right there and exchange and the fighters
that did box like Forrest and Winky, he had no answer. Miguel Cotto
out speedy Mosley and beat him to the punch and Floyd boxing IQ
is on another level. not saying that Mosley won't be competitive
but I would go with Floyd in that fight.

[GRUSTLER]

Mosley just found a jab against Margs. He always used his jab to pity pat or as a range finder. That was not part of the "Power Boxing" that Jack taught him.

Margarito was slow as Molasses and played into Mosley hands.
Floyd would make Mosley box and open himself up. One thing
I respect about Floyd is that he throws fighters off their game
plans and make them come after him and expose themselves
then Floyd picks them apart.

[miron_lang]

Please look at JMM's pics at 135.

He looks FAT. just imagine how he's gonna look at 144


I hope he'll be at least competitive againts Floyd.

[nujabes77]

people think mayweather is using marquez but it's actually the other way around... he wants to avenge his loss and claim the glory

[mrosborne]

Oscar stopped using the jab because Floyd made him pay everytime
he threw a punch. On top of that Oscar was crazy bigger than Floyd
with a longer reach than Cotto. Mosely is just too open and doesn't
like to box much and loses is footing sometimes when he swings.
A big mistake going up against Floyd. Mosley was trained to ******
with Mexicans who stand right there and exchange and the fighters
that did box like Forrest and Winky, he had no answer. Miguel Cotto
out speedy Mosley and beat him to the punch and Floyd boxing IQ
is on another level. not saying that Mosley won't be competitive
but I would go with Floyd in that fight.

Mosley lost to Forrest as Forrest simply has his number. He lost to him in the amateurs as well. There's always that one guy who is simply going to kick your ass. We all have that guy in life, trust me.

Mosley lost to Winky as Winky was and still is much bigger than Shane, and his defense was problematic as hell for Shane(and everyone else not named Paul Williams). Shane doesn't do well against much bigger/taller guys than him, that much is for certain.

Mosley "lost" to Cotto(something I dispute, it was in NYC and Shane easily closed the last 3 rounds to earn a 1 point SD or a draw at worst), but there where two reasons Sugar Shane lost in my opinion to Cotto:

1. His jab ****** ass that fight. The flicker jab was flimsy and didn't get Cotto's respect. The Margarito-Mosley jab would have had the intended effect here.

2. Mosley had never seen Cotto box as well as he had that night. None of us had seen that actually up until that fight. Mosley was expecting the typical Cotto, and to Cotto's credit he showed a very respectable jab/boxing ability in that fight.

[SkillspayBills]

Even Pac says Floyd is the one he wants at the end of the year. I gurantee he regrets that ****.

[mrosborne]

Even Pac says Floyd is the one he wants at the end of the year. I gurantee he regrets that ****.

I agree man. As I was saying earlier in this thread, styles make fights as the old saying goes. As much as I dislike Mayweather, he has all the tools to neutralize Pacquiao. Pacquiao has trouble with accurate counterpunchers such as Juan Manuel Marquez, and if anyone is a counterpuncher Mayweather is, and a faster one at that than Marquez.

Pacquiao has been on a tear lately, but the fact is he cannot match Mayweather in boxing ability. FMJ will beat Pacquiao handily.

[handler000]

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Of all the times Cotto has been seriously hurt, they were at 140 where he was struggling to make the weight. I can only think of maybe two instances where he was recently visibily hurt: Judah caught him early, and Margarito obviously beat his face in, possibly with wraps so if anything that tells me Cotto can take severe punishment to the face. Floyd does like an aggressive fighter that's RECKLESS, ie Corrales, Hatton, Castillo. Cotto is not reckless. He is measured and ruthless in his pressure. If he sees it isn't working, he will adapt and box as he did in the Mosley fight.

I think you are confusing an accumulation of punches with 1 punch knockout power. He had just knocked Mayorga down before he caught him with that left hook and Vargas had taken about 300 punches to the face before he was knocked out. Thomas Hearns would be a perfect example of 1 punch knockout power.

Yes, Corley stung him but he was by no means on la-la street (like Cotto). Didnt see Castillo hurt him in either fight so if you could tell me a round or which fight I will look at it again. NOT once; I repeat NOT once in the Judah fight was Floyd hurt. Did his glove touch the canvas and it should have been scored a knockdown, I would say yes.

And as far as Mosley; I recall Forrest hit him so hard he all most made him **** in his trunks in the 2nd rd of their 1st fight. I was a big Mosley fan and I have to admit, Mosley was scared of Forrest in the 2nd fight. So yes he has been hurt and has and always have problem with boxers. If you put a fighter in a ring thats just going to come to Shane he will beat them everytime but if you put Mosley in with a boxer with Floyd's ring IQ he loses everytime. Why did Shane lose to Cotto? Because Cotto outboxed him. Do you honestly think if Cotto can outbox him Floyd cant?