Marquez Says Mayweather First, Then Pacquiao Trilogy

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As I always try to do, I examine each fighter and their style as the old adage goes Styles make fights, and try to objectively pick which has the best chances to prevail.

To answer your question, at 147 I believe Mosley has the best chance to defeat Mayweather. He has the hand speed, the footwork, experience, and Shane would most certainly be the most dangerous puncher Mayweather has ever fought and ever will fight. Name one person Mayweather has fought that was a one punch KO artist. I'll save you some time: You can't. Combine that with the speed of Mosley and there you have it.

The only other possibility I see at the moment to beat Mayweather at 147 is Cotto, and my reasons for that are as follows:

1. Mayweather doesn't have the power to hurt Cotto. He hasn't shown any power at 147, has admitted he has fragile hands, and potshots aren't going to do anything to Miguel except piss him off.

2. Cotto cuts off the ring very well, and is a pressure fighter. Now you'll say well Hatton didn't too well and he fits both those categories. My answer to that is Cotto is bigger, stronger, and not as reckless as Hatton. As much as I love Hatton as a fighter he simply got too reckless and you can't do that against Mayweather. Pressure and a good jab is the way to beat him, and Ricky got frustrated and leapt in directly to Mayweather. Cotto is patient and will not get reckless.

3. Cotto has the power to hurt Mayweather. He would be facing the hardest puncher he has fought, and a murderous body puncher at that. Cotto lands a few of those left hooks to Floyd he's going to slow down. Combine that with his ability to seamlessly transition to southpaw(as he is a converted righty anyway), and that is BIG trouble for Mayweather.

Thoughts?

Hey man, Mosley was teeing off on Cotto who is not as fast as
Mayweather for 12 rounds and couldn't put Cotto down AT ALL
and to me Floyd chin is more durable than Cotto's in my book.
Cotto out boxed Shane Mosley with lil to know defense and
was the speedier of the two. Floyd Mayweather is praised
for his speed, defense and accuracey. Mosley is only
effective if you stand there and trade like Margarito did but if
you use the ring and an effective jab you can beat Mosley.
Mosley only has the upper hand when your right there for
him to connect.

Miguel Cotto? Come on man!!! Cotto has been hit by slower
boxers/fighters flush in every big fight he has been in. Cotto
is wide open and once you neutralize his punch and nullify
his pressure then he is all yours. Cotto is nothing new and
only has a power advantage over Floyd and cannot out box
or use the ring like PBF can. Cotto is good but he is not a
complete fighter and Floyd would make Cotto pay everytime
he throws a punch because he always wide open for the
counter. I never saw Cotto as much of a challenge but
maybe a lil more competitve because of his size but PBF
is an inch taller and has a longer reach than Cotto and is
faster, more defensive and accurate. Cotto would not
beat Floyd.

[jetgeomcx]

miguel will go down

as much as i'd like 2 see floyd get his ass wuped, i just cant see marquez even being competitive in this fight. & honestly he might even get K.O'd. Doubt manny would even be interested in a third fight with him. For what? everyone knows marquez cant put up the numbers he needs to 2 get manny interested @ this moment in his career. Theres a big wish list out there of fighters that want manny right now. But Cotto's the front runner like it or not & built perfectly, style, speed & strengh 2 bet manny convincingly.....COTTO NATION BABY only way he can be beat is with plaster lol the fight will be @ a catch weight of 143, remember you heard it first from me

clik my profile and read my posts as early as 3rd May.
u will also see the logic of why pacquiao-cotto and not manny-floyd come Dec..
freddie will ask 143 but 144 is ryt in the middle of 140 and 147.
cotto will go down, in weight, because of the pay and the reputation it will give him when he beats the world's most popular boxer today.
in store for miguel is a super mega-fyt with mw IF he beats manny.

cotto will give all and accept all for the chance of lacing it up with d'pacman!!

[Orion]

Mayweather is looking like he wants to gain the fans respect this coming year, good for him.

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Hey man, Mosley was teeing off on Cotto who is not as fast as
Mayweather for 12 rounds and couldn't put Cotto down AT ALL
and to me Floyd chin is more durable than Cotto's in my book.
Cotto out boxed Shane Mosley with lil to know defense and
was the speedier of the two. Floyd Mayweather is praised
for his speed, defense and accuracey. Mosley is only
effective if you stand there and trade like Margarito did but if
you use the ring and an effective jab you can beat Mosley.
Mosley only has the upper hand when your right there for
him to connect.

Miguel Cotto? Come on man!!! Cotto has been hit by slower
boxers/fighters flush in every big fight he has been in. Cotto
is wide open and once you neutralize his punch and nullify
his pressure then he is all yours. Cotto is nothing new and
only has a power advantage over Floyd and cannot out box
or use the ring like PBF can. Cotto is good but he is not a
complete fighter and Floyd would make Cotto pay everytime
he throws a punch because he always wide open for the
counter. I never saw Cotto as much of a challenge but
maybe a lil more competitve because of his size but PBF
is an inch taller and has a longer reach than Cotto and is
faster, more defensive and accurate. Cotto would not
beat Floyd.

You know, I believe Cotto would come out and fight lefty against Mayweather. Mayweather has had trouble with lefties(Judah, Corley), and yes he won those fights, but Corley rocked Mayweather and even had him in trouble, and Corley is mediocre at best with power. I bet if Cotto fought him primarily as a lefty he could definitely win. No one has brought this point up yet, so I'm interested to hear some opinions on this....

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If you think about it, each time Shane didn't accept a fight with Mayweather it's because Shane was the draw at the time, not Mayweather. Mayweather still had something to prove to everyone at that point and needed a solid name on his resume, and still does now if he wants to be an ATG. As far as Sugar trying to help Oscar by imitating PBF for sparring purposes goes, I don't see how that's important really. Oscar lost that fight because he stopped jabbing. He was winning and showed the blueprint needed to beat Floyd which is behind a steady jab because it disrupts Floyd's rolling and counter rhythm.

Furthermore, if Floyd is so concerned about being this greatest of all time, why not take 8 million to prove it? He's rich beyond his wildest dreams according to him, so who gives a ****? Fight for 8 million and prove you are the best that he seems to believe he is so much.

Shane Mosley has used Floyd Mayweather Jr's name to make him
look good. He never really wanted the fight and even now he said
he want Pac and not Mayweather. And for the record.........

January 27, 2005, 12:46 PM ET

I'm told that [Shane] Mosley and [Oscar] De La Hoya are going to 147," Mayweather said. "I plan to join them there."

After Floyd stopped Henry Bruseles in the 8th rd

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[handler000]

As I always try to do, I examine each fighter and their style as the old adage goes Styles make fights, and try to objectively pick which has the best chances to prevail.

To answer your question, at 147 I believe Mosley has the best chance to defeat Mayweather. He has the hand speed, the footwork, experience, and Shane would most certainly be the most dangerous puncher Mayweather has ever fought and ever will fight. Name one person Mayweather has fought that was a one punch KO artist. I'll save you some time: You can't. Combine that with the speed of Mosley and there you have it.

The only other possibility I see at the moment to beat Mayweather at 147 is Cotto, and my reasons for that are as follows:

1. Mayweather doesn't have the power to hurt Cotto. He hasn't shown any power at 147, has admitted he has fragile hands, and potshots aren't going to do anything to Miguel except piss him off.

2. Cotto cuts off the ring very well, and is a pressure fighter. Now you'll say well Hatton didn't too well and he fits both those categories. My answer to that is Cotto is bigger, stronger, and not as reckless as Hatton. As much as I love Hatton as a fighter he simply got too reckless and you can't do that against Mayweather. Pressure and a good jab is the way to beat him, and Ricky got frustrated and leapt in directly to Mayweather. Cotto is patient and will not get reckless.

3. Cotto has the power to hurt Mayweather. He would be facing the hardest puncher he has fought, and a murderous body puncher at that. Cotto lands a few of those left hooks to Floyd he's going to slow down. Combine that with his ability to seamlessly transition to southpaw(as he is a converted righty anyway), and that is BIG trouble for Mayweather.

Thoughts?

I believe you are being one sided in your accounts. Who has Mosley knocked out with 1 punch? Again Mayweather has enough power to make everyone he has fought reluctant to throw a lot of punches. Who has Mayweather fought that threw and landed more punches? Yes, Mosley can take a punch but believe me NO ONE likes to get punched in the face even by the most "feathered" fisted opponent.

How can you say Cotto has the power to hurt Mayweather? Be honest have you ever seen Mayweather hurt to the point to have shaky legs? So we have seen fighters take Cotto's best punch and smile so I really dont believe he hits as hard as some of his fans would lead us to believe. When Cotto stepped up in competition were was this knockout power? I truly believe his left hook is overrated. Its not like he hits like Tito with the left hook. Yes he has knocked out C level opponents. Cotto has been hit and hurt by lighter hitting fighters than FMJ so HIS chin should be the one in question. Cotto being a pressure fighter will work against him if he fights Floyd. FMJ loves for a fighter to come to him. For example: Corrales, Hatton, Castillo and Ndou.

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You know, I believe Cotto would come out and fight lefty against Mayweather. Mayweather has had trouble with lefties(Judah, Corley), and yes he won those fights, but Corley rocked Mayweather and even had him in trouble, and Corley is mediocre at best with power. I bet if Cotto fought him primarily as a lefty he could definitely win. No one has brought this point up yet, so I'm interested to hear some opinions on this....

Zab Judah is a natural South Paw and Cotto switches in/out.
Mayweather would figure Cotto out faster because Cotto is
slower than Judah. Demarcus Corley had Floyd in trouble but
he totally had Cotto in deep waters & almost knocked Miguel
Cotto out cold. floyd recovered faster than Cotto and handle
Corley power when being hit more effectively. So if Corley
had mediocre power and he almost KO'd Cotto and not
Mayweather than what does that say about PBF compared
to Cotto?

[handler000]

You know, I believe Cotto would come out and fight lefty against Mayweather. Mayweather has had trouble with lefties(Judah, Corley), and yes he won those fights, but Corley rocked Mayweather and even had him in trouble, and Corley is mediocre at best with power. I bet if Cotto fought him primarily as a lefty he could definitely win. No one has brought this point up yet, so I'm interested to hear some opinions on this....

If Corley has mediocre power what the hell was wrong with Cotto's chin? So if Corley can hurt Cotto so can FMJ. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iP-gRyWaB4

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If Corley has mediocre power what the hell was wrong with Cotto's chin? So if Corley can hurt Cotto so can FMJ. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iP-gRyWaB4

Miguel Cotto couldn't even handle 140 effectively because
of his condition. Floyd was breezing through divisions winning
titles and out classing boxers/fighters. I've been watching Cotto
for a long time and he has so many holes in his fight game and his
mental compacity accompanied by his training issues would spell
doom against Floyd and Roger.

[Pullcounter]

Miguel Cotto couldn't even handle 140 effectively because
of his condition. Floyd was breezing through divisions winning
titles and out classing boxers/fighters. I've been watching Cotto
for a long time and he has so many holes in his fight game and his
mental compacity accompanied by his training issues would spell
doom against Floyd and Roger.

i gotta agree... cotto can't beat floyd.