OMFG! The fightwriter picks Froch!

[THE REED]

Pavlik is as one dimensional and consistent as is Froch, but thats the point. That is why i think he will give Taylor trouble.

Well you saw what Hopkins did to Pavlik so it makes no difference what Hopkins would of done to Froch, he did it to Pavlik and he whooped Taylor.

Simply forgetting about Pavlik fighting Bhop at 170lbs, is ridiculous.

Pavlik at MW, is a different fighter.

And until Carl Froch beats Pavlik at MW, I dont wanna hear about JT's loss to Pavlik as some sort of reasoning as to why Froch will beat him.

[THE REED]

Lets also not forget, that Pavlik loss could of been a second round TKO by Jermain Taylor.

Im not one to use the could of beens... but the ref was giving Pavlik a hell of a reasonable doubt to come out of it, other refs would have stopped that fight..

JT threw himself out, and got KOed... came back at 166, and fought a MUCH better fight...

[BattlingNelson]

Pavlik is as one dimensional and consistent as is Froch, but thats the point. That is why i think he will give Taylor trouble.

Well you saw what Hopkins did to Pavlik so it makes no difference what Hopkins would of done to Froch, he did it to Pavlik and he whooped Taylor.

With another ref the first fight might have been a TKO for Taylor and the second fight was highly controversial IMO.

[Dynamite Kid]

Again, your talking about debatable wins over TOP pound for pound competition.

He may not be ABOVE that competition, but he is LEVEL with them.

Does Froch have a debatable win over top competition?

Does Froch have a win over TOP COMPETITION...PERIOD?

Well i believe his Boxing skills are one the reasons he could HANG with them. Where as maybe Pavlik could not hang with Hop, because he does not have those Boxing skills. However Pavlik does not need those skills to hang with Taylor, he just needs to keep the pressure on him and stay upright. That is why i give Froch a chance. Consistent pressure is what Taylor cant handle. His stamina and that fact he does not like fighting at someone else's pace plays a big part. His defences drop when he gets tired to, and his reactions get slower. Thus he becomes more suspect to being hurt.

Spinks and Ouma were 154 lbs someone like Allen Green or Miranda would of destroyed those two.

No.

I might be completely wrong. TBH ive only seen Froch against Reid and Rybaki and Pascal. Im not expert on him. Ive seen Taylor more times than ive seen Froch. But the mental make up of Taylor does not impress me.

[THE REED]

People keep talking about Frochs power, as if JT cant punch?

He had Pavlik more HURT at MIDDLEWEIGHT then Hopkins did at LHW...

And if you think Jermain Taylor is a naturally smaller guy, or a natural Middlweight... he isnt.

[Dynamite Kid]

Simply forgetting about Pavlik fighting Bhop at 170lbs, is ridiculous.

Pavlik at MW, is a different fighter.

And until Carl Froch beats Pavlik at MW, I dont wanna hear about JT's loss to Pavlik as some sort of reasoning as to why Froch will beat him.

With another ref the first fight might have been a TKO for Taylor and the second fight was highly controversial IMO.

Well that exactly what happened i simply forgot but let me ask you something. Do you think any Pavlik beats any Hopkins?


Agree about your first point Bats, but "the second fight was highly controversial" why? did you think Taylor won?

[ACHlLLES]

People keep talking about Frochs power, as if JT cant punch?

He had Pavlik more HURT at MIDDLEWEIGHT then Hopkins did at LHW...

And if you think Jermain Taylor is a naturally smaller guy, or a natural Middlweight... he isnt.

Taylor looks to punch harder then Froch from still pictures I found on the internet. I'm biased though, I'm rooting for taylor.





Plus, pascals defense looks shotty like froch. They both leave themselves open

[THE REED]

Well that exactly what happened i simply forgot but let me ask you something. Do you think any Pavlik beats any Hopkins?


Agree about your first point Bats, but "the second fight was highly controversial" why? did you think Taylor won?

Better yet.... do you think Froch beats the Hopkins that fought pavlik?

yeah, ill wait..

[Dynamite Kid]

People keep talking about Frochs power, as if JT cant punch?

He had Pavlik more HURT at MIDDLEWEIGHT then Hopkins did at LHW...

And if you think Jermain Taylor is a naturally smaller guy, or a natural Middlweight... he isnt.

Taylor probably hits harder than people think, but the fact he throws his right hand like a bow and arrow makes it easier for his opponents to see it coming.

Pavlik might not have been that hurt from the original shot. However the fact that he clowned Taylor and got hit flush **** on the chin had a bigger part to play in why he was nearly stopped.

[THE REED]

Taylor probably hits harder than people think, but the fact he throws his right hand like a bow and arrow makes it easier for his opponents to see it coming.

Pavlik might not have been that hurt from the original shot. However the fact that he clowned Taylor and got hit flush **** on the chin had a bigger part to play in why he was nearly stopped.

JT had Pavlik stammering all over the ring for 60 seconds straight...