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Muhammed Ali Over-rated?
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Originally posted by TheManchine View PostAli also did not seem as invincible during his prime years as people now often make him out to have been due to the Cleveland Williams fight. Even Ali himself said that people should not judge him based on his fight against Cleveland Williams because Williams was literally "shot".
Chuvalo and Mildenberger gave him a tough time. Folley made him look bad at times. The second Cooper fight was a bore.
Wouldn't count myself as an expert but I was an adult during Ali's prime so remember the time without the advantage of hindsight. No Ali was never invincible, no fighter is really, but throughout his career he generally did enough to win.
There was always doubts about his chin pre ban but he allayed those doubts post ban.
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Louis had a better defense but he was known to drop his left as well, Schmelling exploited that.
It would be silly to count him out against Ali though since lesser fighters were able to trouble him.
Originally posted by GJC View PostTrue regarding Williams. People often overlook the Terrell fight and just think of the cruelty but Ali was on form that night.
Wouldn't count myself as an expert but I was an adult during Ali's prime so remember the time without the advantage of hindsight. No Ali was never invincible, no fighter is really, but throughout his career he generally did enough to win.
There was always doubts about his chin pre ban but he allayed those doubts post ban.
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Originally posted by TheManchine View PostLouis had his flaws, he could be hit with the counter right and also had trouble dealing with the constant movement of Billy Conn, Bob Pastor and Jersey Joe Walcott.
It is that flaw that makes me think that Marciano would have a chance. I don't think that Marciano was a better fighter and do not count his victory over an old Louis as significant. But Marciano could absorb the punishment to get that right in so in 10 fights I don't think it would be 10-0 to Louis.
It would be silly to count him out against Ali though since lesser fighters were able to trouble him.
No you can never discount Louis against anybody. The Louis who beat Schmelling and Max Baer would have destroyed anyone who was less than 100%. Its as above when you get top notch fighters its never going to be 10-0 unless there is a real style mismatch. I do favour Ali in this one though.
I think the Terrell fight is Ali's most impressive title defense considering how he dominated a very good opponent.
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[QUOTE=TheManchine;5136775]Louis had his flaws, he could be hit with the counter right and also had trouble dealing with the constant movement of Billy Conn, Bob Pastor and Jersey Joe Walcott.
It is that flaw that makes me think that Marciano would have a chance. I don't think that Marciano was a better fighter and do not count his victory over an old Louis as significant. But Marciano could absorb the punishment to get that right in so in 10 fights I don't think it would be 10-0 to Louis.
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Originally posted by GJC View PostI'm glad someone else agrees, Williams is always quoted as his peak fight and the Terrell fight is just talked about as Ali being overly cruel.
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