Muhammed Ali Over-rated?

[GJC]

There is a poster floating around here that swears Terrell was kicking Ali's butt all over the place. Not sure what fight HE was watching because it looked like a pretty dominat performanc by Ali to me.

Poet

Think the problem is that people see that a fight goes the distance and assume it was close. Even more of a problem with fights that were not filmed. Terrell did well to come second that night!

[GJC]

Just make sure the quote begins with [Q UOTE=TheManchine;5136775] and ends with [/Q UOTE]

Poet

ah, thankyou.
I will get there eventually I hope, probably in time for my eyesight to finally give up the ghost!

[StarshipTrooper]

ah, thankyou.
I will get there eventually I hope, probably in time for my eyesight to finally give up the ghost!

Don't I know it! I have to get my specs updated every year.

Poet

[GJC]

Don't I know it! I have to get my specs updated every year.

Poet

Yes but you are a junior
I'm at the age where remembering where the opticion is a struggle!
One more question, if you do the quote thing at the start and end then reply then you can do the start and quote thing again and reply point by point?
It will help with my coherance.

[Dave Rado]

Chuvalo and Mildenberger gave him a tough time. Folley made him look bad at times. The second Cooper fight was a bore.

I think that's a little misleading.

He won almost every round against Chuvalo, and demoralised him by letting a noted body puncher hit him in the body almost at will at times, and asking him "can't you hit any harder than that, George?"

He had a bad performance against Mildenberger when he was tired due to the draft problems. Still he dominated Mildenberger for most of the fight, and won with plenty to spare. He was made to feel uncomfortable at times, but he was never really hurt.

The second Cooper fight may not have been his most entertaining - although I certainly didn't find it boring - but he completely took away Cooper's hook, which had troubled him in their first fight, and dominated every minute of every round.

Folley had his moments, but overall I thought Ali put on a superb performance against him, one of the best of his career.

[Dave Rado]

Yes but you are a junior
I'm at the age where remembering where the opticion is a struggle!
One more question, if you do the quote thing at the start and end then reply then you can do the start and quote thing again and reply point by point?

Just copy and past the start and end tags.

It will help with my coherance.

Like this.

[StarshipTrooper]

Yes but you are a junior
I'm at the age where remembering where the opticion is a struggle!
One more question, if you do the quote thing at the start and end then reply then you can do the start and quote thing again and reply point by point?
It will help with my coherance.

You got it exactly! Just drop the space I put between the Q and the O.

Poet

[Dave Rado]

Prime for Prime, Ali takes Joe Louis and knocks him out late. His power was nearly as good if not the same, speed is no contest, reflexes, footwork, reach, size. Joe Louis though great, and who i consider the second best heavyweight of all time would be no match for Ali. The style is just all wrong. Joe Louis had heart and determination, but Ali is extremely underrated in that department, plus he had a world class chin.

I have the utmost respect for Joe Louis. His record and accomplishments were great and his only three losses were to atg and hall of famers. But I just dont see him beating Ali. He just doesnt match up.

Thats just my opinion.

Not saying Bert Sugar is the be all and end all, but he's certainly one of the most respected boxing historians of all time, and just to prove my point that many of the most respected boxing experts disagree with you, the top 10 ATGs in Bert Sugar's 2006 list were:

1 Sugar Ray Robinson

2 Henry Armstrong

3 Willie Pep

4 Joe Louis

5 Harry Greb

6 Benny Leonard

7 Muhammad Ali

8 Roberto Duran

9 Jack Dempsey

10 Jack Johnson

Also regarding his power being almost as good, that seems an odd statement to me. I'll agree his power was under-rated by some, but apart from the Liston rematch he didn't knock anyone out with a single punch as far as I remember, whereas Louis knocked quite a few people out with one punch. Several of Ali's opponents said he didn't hit that hard, it was the speed that got them, and being hit by a large number of punches that they couldn't see coming, when they were already off balance, rather than the power.

[larry x]

how the hell can he be overated???he fought everyone

[Dave Rado]

how the hell can he be overated???he fought everyone

He didn't fight me.