Arum Blasts Producers of The ‘Thrilla’ Documentary

[supremelygifted]

People are just pissed off because for once Ali is not portrayed as a larger than life good guy. This documentary showed both sides of the story and the real thruth behind Ali. It's about time that someone gave Frazier some credit and exposed the side that people like to hide about Ali.

I suppose you know Ali personally right? You know the Ali that came to Detroit and signed autographs until we all had one for 6 hours right? Your dumb ass probably wasn't but a zygote in your dad's nut sack, yet you can watch a documentary and all of a sudden know the real side of someone? Frazier deserves to be as recognized as Ali. No debating that. Ali talked **** about Sonny Listen, Patterson and every fighter he did battle with. You ******ed **** that was his contribution to the game. There were NO remnants of psychology in boxing before Ali. That is his legacy. He introduced psychology to boxing. He wasn't trying to hurt Joe or anyone else. You're one of those b!tches that watch E! and read the enquirer and go around repeating **** like it's fact. Stick to your internet bull**** and let people that actually get out from behind our laptops and pc's report about it.

[Sin City]

Who the fuck is telling you to like the guy? Talk about missing the point.

Analogy. I don't "like" Led Zep. AT ALL. But I respect their rechanneling of influences I do like and the subsequent influence of that on ****loads of other acts I do like. And if Page is diagnosed with Parkinson's tomorrow, I'm not going to waste my time talking about how it represents justice for his various misdeeds. Most likely I'll keep my integrity and pass reasonable comment, if at all.

You don't have to "like" Ali as much as you "like" Louis. But you do have to respect him as much, if you love boxing as much as you claim. His positive influence on the sport you claim to love is incalculable. It's about the bigger picture. You have no real investment in Ali and Joe's beef - you're just being a self-righteous *****.



You're no validator of justice. Who are you? A punk who wines about PBF and Ali on a messageboard.



Nevermind, man - you're obviously high on your own smug little trip.

oh ok.. the same can be said about you defending the guy.. who are you to make his actions just and right?
I'm not being self-righteous, no one is perfect.. everyone has and makes mistakes. however, one can only go so far.
If Frazier feels the way he does then he has every right to.

[supremelygifted]

Who the fuck is telling you to like the guy? Talk about missing the point.

Analogy. I don't "like" Led Zep. AT ALL. But I respect their rechanneling of influences I do like and the subsequent influence of that on ****loads of other acts I do like. And if Page is diagnosed with Parkinson's tomorrow, I'm not going to waste my time talking about how it represents justice for his various misdeeds. Most likely I'll keep my integrity and pass reasonable comment, if at all.

You don't have to "like" Ali as much as you "like" Louis. But you do have to respect him as much, if you love boxing as much as you claim. His positive influence on the sport you claim to love is incalculable. It's about the bigger picture. You have no real investment in Ali and Joe's beef - you're just being a self-righteous *****.



You're no validator of justice. Who are you? A punk who wines about PBF and Ali on a messageboard.



Nevermind, man - you're obviously high on your own smug little trip.

Not to mention the millions of dollars Ali gave away to charity and people on the street he didn't even know. Ali was ALWAYS accessible to his fans. People shouldn't have kids! Hopeful some intelligent ***** slips up and lets you **** her because judging by your posts, You won't contribute anything of value to the genetic pool. What you failed to realize is Ali isn't revered because of his fighting skills alone. He's known as a great humanitarian and an ambassador of good will. I believe he was summoned to Libya to negotiate on the United States behalf. What other non-politician celebrity can make that claim ? No one is trying to make you like the man. Just know what you're talking about before you voice you're ill-thought out opinions. He's done things for others you wouldn't think twice to do.

[Horus]

I suppose you know Ali personally right? You know the Ali that came to Detroit and signed autographs until we all had one for 6 hours right? Your dumb ass probably wasn't but a zygote in your dad's nut sack, yet you can watch a documentary and all of a sudden know the real side of someone? Frazier deserves to be as recognized as Ali. No debating that. Ali talked **** about Sonny Listen, Patterson and every fighter he did battle with. You ******ed **** that was his contribution to the game. There were NO remnants of psychology in boxing before Ali. That is his legacy. He introduced psychology to boxing. He wasn't trying to hurt Joe or anyone else. You're one of those b!tches that watch E! and read the enquirer and go around repeating **** like it's fact. Stick to your internet bull**** and let people that actually get out from behind our laptops and pc's report about it.

Ali came to my high school (Centennial High School 1999 compton california)
and he donated money for computers and books.
sign gloves and gave at least 300 individual pictures.. and I remember actually seeing this man in person thinking to myself damn here is a person who cant even really talk no more but literally had the entire school shutting the fucck up and listening to every word he tryed to speak.

this man is the sole reason allot of people even stared watching boxing.
and he is the first athlete to stand for something that mattered
in the post jackie Robinson era of sports.

to this day they will never be another athlete more important than Ali.
No one.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

where I came from the land lord didn't forgive an forget if the rent was late.
as well as other things..
I don't think it's a lack of character.. you don't know me or the generous things I do.
it doesn't mean I don't do them because I don't talk about them here on the forum.
you don't know me as a person to say I lack character, my life isn't out there
like Ali's or Fraziers for you to be able to say that.
I really have a dislike for *******s though.
It's no coensidence that Mayweather and Bernard Hopkins aren't my favoritest of people.

I should have stopped reading there because that was such a terrible analogy. You are really failing to see how wrong you are. Did Ali say and do somethings he shouldn't have? Yes absolutely, I agree with you 100%.

Does he DESERVE to be in the state he is in because of them? NO and anyone who thinks that is either young and nieve or plain evil to the core. I would rather be dead than in that state. Being 60-70 yrs old isn't the end of your life. You can still enjoy life fully at that age and Ali has been robbed of that by a disease that was enhanced by the very profession that gave us all the enjoyment we have today.

Frazier was right to be upset but should be a man and forgive Ali and move on. Ali on the other hand, I would understand never forgave Frazier for the comments he made about being happy that Ali is in the state he is in.

You don't want me to question your character yet you say things that you are just to young to understand or are evil in even thinking something like that. I will give you the benefit of the doubt and say your just young....

[MACAQUEINBLACK]

oh ok.. the same can be said about you defending the guy.. who are you to make his actions just and right?
I'm not being self-righteous, no one is perfect.. everyone has and makes mistakes. however, one can only go so far.
If Frazier feels the way he does then he has every right to.

I'm not, though. If you read closer you'd see I assessed Ali's behaviour as way over the line and called the excuses of his apologists as excuses.

Joe has every right to feel what he feels. He has real emotional investment, unlike anyone else in this thread. And I don't think anybody here should condemn him for how he feels now anymore than they should condemn Ali for what he did then. Reasonable comment is one thing. Acting as if you're Karma's right hand man dispensing the justice with him, like I said, is another. We're talking about real people. For all Ali's faults, he's done a lot of good.


****, whenever I turn on the radio and hear "my man is still The Greatest, to hell with Frazier, yappin' 'bout that negative", I feel for Joe bigtime. So it's not as if I'm coming from some pro-Ali/anti-Joe angle. Just a balanced one.

[RRICAN]

it was an eyeopener for a lot of poeps me included. who doesnt know that Ali was an arrogant person??? self centered ???? Why would he told frazier's son that he was sorry, and not say it to joe??? those 3 fights **** both of them period.

[Sin City]

I'm not, though. If you read closer you'd see I assessed Ali's behaviour as way over the line and called the excuses of his apologists as excuses.

Joe has every right to feel what he feels. He has real emotional investment, unlike anyone else in this thread. And I don't think anybody here should condemn him for how he feels now anymore than they should condemn Ali for what he did then. Reasonable comment is one thing. Acting as if you're Karma's right hand man dispensing the justice with him, like I said, is another. We're talking about real people. For all Ali's faults, he's done a lot of good.


****, whenever I turn on the radio and hear "my man is still The Greatest, to hell with Frazier, yappin' 'bout that negative", I feel for Joe bigtime. So it's not as if I'm coming from some pro-Ali/anti-Joe angle. Just a balanced one.

Maybe it is just me trying to defend Frazier. I really like the guy and I don't think what he has gone through he has deserved. I always hear this **** about oh it was so long ago, he should just forgive and forget.. yet they don't know what he went through or what his life was like because of the whole thing. I'm not trying to validate anything, I'm just speaking my opinion on the subject. You guys swear Ali was a saint and a god and he wasn't.

[supremelygifted]

No he didn't. Jack Johnson was before him and was far superior to him in that regard considering the danger he was in.


So it was alright for Ali to do what he did?

To call Frazier an "Uncle Tom"?
And to basically force him out of favor among other "black" people by labeling him a trader.

Yeah, that went real well and no harm was done to Frazier or his family.


To say he looked like a gorilla...which would be interesting to have seen if that remark came from a "white" person.

Not really. Jack Johnson got under his opponent's skin just because of the color of his own skin. The weren't going to let a N!gga beat them. He was determined he would. He was the only black man in America to get paid to beat up white folks. That is a different form of psychology. Ali actually sought to antagonize his opponents . In a way you're right. Johnson had the hate of his opponents. Ali created it.

[Benny Leonard]

Not really. Jack Johnson got under his opponent's skin just because of the color of his own skin. The weren't going to let a N!gga beat them. He was determined he would. He was the only black man in America to get paid to beat up white folks. That is a different form of psychology. Ali actually sought to antagonize his opponents . In a way you're right. Johnson had the hate of his opponents. Ali created it.

Jack Johnson did more than just show up and have people look at his skin color. He flaunted his life-style in front of everybody. He taunted the fighter and the crowd during fights. He did it before the fight as well just to get fights. He did many things.

However, I'm not sure Johnson was able to make a seperation between him and other black fighters that he fought as far as making it personal between the two. That would be interesting to know...I'm not really that sure. Ali had the ability to do it with everybody.

Here's a start:

Part 1...rest is on youtube




And Ali's words



Good books on him as well...



I think Ali was a mix of being misled by the NOI and guilty of being ignorant (because of his age probably) and misunderstood in other ways that it was just for fun. He was a contradictory character and I think people pointed this out to him like Michael Parkinson. Forget who else mentioned it as well but there was a story of how Ali was on the bus with reporters and Ali was having fun with everybody and got along with everybody...everybody was equal and there was no separation and it came off "real."

There were different sides to Ali and the best side actually may have been "Clay" as far as likening everybody but maybe I'm wrong. It's hard to say if you don't know the man and you would have to know what he was like as a youth on up. And even then, how many really know someone?