Arum Blasts Producers of The ‘Thrilla’ Documentary

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Ali deserves to be in the state he is in. He was a great fighter with extraordinary talent and skill but he was a worthless man.

Jesus christ you're a **** head for that one. You act as if Ali was hitler man and never did good in his life. yeah sure he was an ass to Fraizer but that does not sum up the mans entire life and what he stood for, etc.

[MACAQUEINBLACK]

you must have me confused with someone else.. when did I say anything about someone's pre-teen daughter? I don't remember anything of such.. and I already gave Ali his due in one of the posts above, I said he was a great fighter with extraordinary skills, you must have missed that.. we aren't talking about Ali the fighter though, we are talking about Ali the person.

It was a pervy joke about Arreola's kid IIRC, but still.


Look, most people who've scratched the surface know Ali had some ****ish ways. Personally, I agree with this - what Ali did was way over the line of promoting a fight. Way too personal, and there was a real malice and emotional investment present in his conduct that wasn't there with other opponents. Why exactly, I'm not sure. Combination of factors. But, it's possible to make observations or give commentary without coming off like your Karma's right hand man putting the boot in after a beating. You're talking about a guy abusing his own dignity and the dignity of others, while at the same time crapping on your own integrity with remarks like that. What the fuck, we're all flawed, but - come on, man, you keep hammering this one, and the way you come across on the subject isn't really as righteous as you seem to think.

[hayZ]

"I smile because I know I did that to him". I mean how low is that after ALL these years for him to say that, after all they've been through together recently (reconciling).

Frazier is bitter and to a certain degree yeah he should be because he isn't regarded as highly as he should be and because Ali was so charismatic and witty something that Joe just wasn't. But some of the words in that documentary are just low and i agree with Bob Arum for once.

[Sin City]

Jesus christ you're a **** head for that one. You act as if Ali was hitler man and never did good in his life. yeah sure he was an ass to Fraizer but that does not sum up the mans entire life and what he stood for, etc.

at the time he stood for seperation of races and racial superiority.
if that's what you are reffering to as "what he stood for" then he didn't stand for much cept calling white people devils.

[boxaholic]

I agree with this article, and I rarely agree with Arum. It was about time a documentary was made giving Frazier's side of the story, but there absolutely was no need for it to go out of its way to demean Ali in ways that had absolutely no relevance to Frazier, or for it to do so by twisting and bending the truth. That did Frazier a severe disservice, because it makes him look mean and a liar, when he's neither. Ali is no saint, but he's nothing like the picture the film paints of him either. The film's just a hatchet job, and the worst sort of journalism.

I agree with you completely. The thing that pisses me off the most is how they tried to tarnish the Greatest. I can't believe that HBO would put this **** they call journalism on. Its not TV Its HBO. If it wasn't for the boxing events coming up I would have cancelled my service to them. They portrayed Ali as a racist that goes to KKK meetings, A womanizer that takes his mistress to the presidential palace, A puppet that makes whatever statements that the Nation of Islam wants him to say, A quitter because he would not have came out against Frazier in the 15th round, And worse of all a overrated boxer that al he had going for him was his jab and gift to gab.

I would hate to believe that the producers or HBO would try to tarnish The Greatest Muhammad Ali because of his religion. Where would HBO be without the hype before the fight. Ali could be viewed by many as funny, confident, and a man who stood for what he believed in. Others could view him as a rude, arrogant, easlily manipulated icon. Its bad taste when you call a mans future wife his mistress (Veronica Porche) and then call another mans girlfirend at the time road companion (Denise Menz).

Why wouldn't the producers talk with Laila Ali, Veronica Porche who was at this event or Ali's current wife Yolanda Ali. They could have spole with the biggest mouth in boxing Don King or even Bob Aurm. Arum and King where there and know the business side of boxing. That was the least they could have did after telling the story of Marvis Frazier Joe Fraziers son, his road Companian Denise Menz, Hearsay from Willie the worm Monroe that says Ali Quit after the 14th round, The Frazier team of Butch Lewis and Dave Wolf.

In closing my biggest problem comes with HBO. This is ultimately an HBO documentary film and an HBO sports present a Darlow Smithson production that holds HBO accountable for this bad journalism. Shame on HBO for trying to make THE GREATEST anything but great.

[steptwome]

It was meant to tell Fraziers side of the story, a story that isn't often heard, so of course it is biase. It is showing everything through Frazier's point of view.

The part that ****ed me up is when he said Ali's current condition is somewhat "God" sent. basically saying he deserves that ****. Did you look at Fraziers face in the doc when he was watching the recap of Ali throwing unanswered punches. He is salty as hell.

[Wrighty]

Arum is so full of ****. Ali's gorilla remark may not have been racist, BUT CALLING HIM AN UNCLE TOM IS! The most disrespectful thing that you could say to a proud black man, Ali said it. Ali shouldn't have said that cos he was saying that Frazier wasn't even black and was a disgrace to his race. I love Ali but he did overstep the mark with Frazier. Joe even told how he had to go to Ali when there was no cameras around and asked him to stop cos his children were being bullied in school because the remarks but Ali wouldn't let up. At the end of the day I think Ali said all the things he said cos that's who he was & I think he was always a little scared of Frazier.

[Sin City]

It was a pervy joke about Arreola's kid IIRC, but still.


Look, most people who've scratched the surface know Ali had some ****ish ways. Personally, I agree with this - what Ali did was way over the line of promoting a fight. Way too personal, and there was a real malice and emotional investment present in his conduct that wasn't there with other opponents. Why exactly, I'm not sure. Combination of factors. But, it's possible to make observations or give commentary without coming off like your Karma's right hand man putting the boot in after a beating. You're talking about a guy abusing his own dignity and the dignity of others, while at the same time crapping on your own integrity with remarks like that. What the fuck, we're all flawed, but - come on, man, you keep hammering this one, and the way you come across on the subject isn't really as righteous as you seem to think.

I don't like the guy... sorry.
whatever you do or say wont change my thoughts on him.
I remember when I was a little younger I wanted to see what he was all about and started reading about him, after reading on his life I thought to myself
why is this man consider a great person?
he is a great fighter but that's really about it..
is this the type of person you want kids to emulate and live like?
I'd rather take Joe Louis as a role model then Ali.
Great fighter but if I have kids one day, that wont be the person I point to and
say, now there was a humble, honest and great man.

[Horus]

Ali deserves to be in the state he is in.

This is probably the worst thing i have ever read on boxingscene.

Completely Telling of what kind of person you are...
You are a sick person and should be banned.

Totally Disgusting comment. by a totally Disgusting Person.

[MACAQUEINBLACK]

I don't like the guy... sorry.
whatever you do or say wont change my thoughts on him.
I remember when I was a little younger I wanted to see what he was all about and started reading about him, after reading on his life I thought to myself
why is this man consider a great person?
he is a great fighter but that's really about it..
is this the type of person you want kids to emulate and live like?
I'd rather take Joe Louis as a role model then Ali.
Great fighter but if I have kids one day, that wont be the person I point to and
say, now there was a humble, honest and great man.

Who the fuck is telling you to like the guy? Talk about missing the point.

Analogy. I don't "like" Led Zep. AT ALL. But I respect their rechanneling of influences I do like and the subsequent influence of that on ****loads of other acts I do like. And if Page is diagnosed with Parkinson's tomorrow, I'm not going to waste my time talking about how it represents justice for his various misdeeds. Most likely I'll keep my integrity and pass reasonable comment, if at all.

You don't have to "like" Ali as much as you "like" Louis. But you do have to respect him as much, if you love boxing as much as you claim. His positive influence on the sport you claim to love is incalculable. It's about the bigger picture. You have no real investment in Ali and Joe's beef - you're just being a self-righteous *****.



You're no validator of justice. Who are you? A punk who wines about PBF and Ali on a messageboard.



Nevermind, man - you're obviously high on your own smug little trip.