NSB: Would you rather have Floyd fight the BEST of any weightclass or Just WW?

[deevel79]

Again are you acting ****** or is that just you

This fight is at catch-weight. JMM seems happy at 143/144 weight. This is first fight back and this fight leads to the Pacman fight which is the biggest fight in this sport

How do u figure he seems happy? I last read that he felt anything above 140 would be too big for him and put him at a big disadvantage.

[BattlingNelson]

Again are you acting ****** or is that just you

This fight is at catch-weight. JMM seems happy at 143/144 weight. This is first fight back and this fight leads to the Pacman fight which is the biggest fight in this sport

I don't give anything for what JMM thinks in that regard. I bet he's thinking $$$$$$ above anything. It's about how important this fight is for Floyds legacy.

[Rich Loc]

Would you consider Floyd fighting Quintana a risky or good tune-up fight if they both fight at 147?

Fighting Carlos Q would be a waste of his time. Less money and this fight would not lead to the Pacmann fight. It would be a good tune up IMO

Does Marquez pose a threat to Floyd truthfully if they fight at 144-145?

Of course JMM poses a real threat. Since Floyd been out of the game for a while. JMM has two straight stoppages in a row

How are you so sure after not only a long layoff from Boxing, but an even longer layoff from 140lbs that Floyd can cut the weight with no problems? If he's such a smaller "WW", why not fight at 140?

Floyd could cut to 140, but in a previous interview he stated that a fighting coming off a lay off and making weight is hard. Since there body is not use to it. Body suddenly loses 7 pounds in a matter of weeks is not a good thing

[Rich Loc]

I don't give anything for what JMM thinks in that regard. I bet he's thinking $$$$$$ above anything. It's about how important this fight is for Floyds legacy.

No, JMM is thinking about Pac just like PBF. Winner of this fight gets paid

We will have JMM/Pac 3 or PBF/PAC

[RL_GMA]

Fighting Carlos Q would be a waste of his time. Less money and this fight would not lead to the Pacmann fight. It would be a good tune up IMO



Of course JMM poses a real threat. Since Floyd been out of the game for a while. JMM has two straight stoppages in a row



Floyd could cut to 140, but in a previous interview he stated that a fighting coming off a lay off and making weight is hard. Since there body is not use to it. Body suddenly loses 7 pounds in a matter of weeks is not a good thing

But he left Boxing as the WW champion (in which he DEFENDED the belt). Are we supposed to skip the last 4 years of his career and just make him a Jr WW again? If Cotto or Mosley, or any other WW went into retirement and made a comeback against a LW would you have the same opinion as you do with Floyd fighting Marquez?

[rambov]

This is all good conservation but really why do we care so much. Whomever he fights will be downgraded to a nobody by the 5th round and then we're back here on Sunday to express our hate of how Floyd took advantage of another and didn't fight a true warrior or a past his prime fighter.

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[Horus]

no what they are indeed saying is this

if you are indeed going to campaign at welterweight for a fight don't you think it's more of a challenge to fight a true legitimate welterweight than a blown up lightweight?

also he IS a welterweight as of right now. He has weighed 147 or above at the time of his weigh in since Sharmba Mitchell. That Horus makes him a welterweight. What happens POST weigh in is up to the fighter but the RULES (not the Horus code you live by) state that if you weigh in between 147-141 you are indeed a welterweight.

even at this MOST people are giving Floyd latitude if he indeed drops down a few pounds to meet Marquez somewhere in the middle



a fighter that is no regarded as no more than a Cinderella fighter so while you take great pride in Floyd beating Baldomir because of what he held others see him as the Buster Douglass of 147.






I dont think anyone questions his campaign at 130 so why bring this up? so you can say he did what he had to do let him do what he wants?

naaaaah




so if Manny was still at 130 it would be ok to fight him?



thats you but it does not take into account that there are actually weight divisions to abide by



thats fine and dandy but

1. he is making the 135lb lineal champ come up to him rather than meet at a halfway point. Since you said it yourself that he is not a true welter what is the problem with that? Oh thats right JMM called him out well thats fine but realize this Horus

all that does is give Mayweather a bargaining tool nothing more. The TRUE challenge isn't making someone come up to a weight class approximately 10lbs more than his last fight.

the challenge is saying "hey JMM is a good fighter and he is a true challenge I want to fight him at his best without compromsing my best"

fighting JMM at approximately 147 isn't doing that and you know it. You cannot say you want Mayweather to enhance his legacy and then go out and fight a fighter who is not anywhere near his optimal fighting weight when you know 1. Mayweather can meet him at a better weight for JMM and 2. at ~147 this poses no true challenge.




but what good is a JMM at ~147? do you seriously think its any semblance of a challenge?

Eaner0919 # 1:.if you are indeed going to campaign at welterweight for a fight don't you think it's more of a challenge to fight a true legitimate welterweight than a blown up lightweight?

First technically we dont know what weight class Floyd intends to campaign at, and the point of a tune up is not to be in to tough of a fight...
the point is to tune up your skills and get a easy win because your next fight is going to be for real. A tune up is basically Paid for public sparring session/

People Saying Mayweather vs. JMM as a tune up is a joke.

Those fights are not tune ups period.

His tune up should be anybody who resembles his next opponent. period.
If he is fighting a southpaw next his tune up should be a southpaw.
If he is fighting a Orthodox fighter next then his tune up should be a Orthodox fighter.

For example if Mayweather plans on Fighting Pacquaio in November or December... His Tune should not be JMM because Pacquaio and JMM are 2 completely different fighters.. a perfect tune up for pacquaio would be a fighter like Yodsanan who is Asain southpaw just like Pacquaio.


A tune up in boxing is the same thing as a scrimmage in football..but the only different is in the tune up we keep score.

Eaner0919#2:
I dont think anyone questions his campaign at 130 so why bring this up? so you can say he did what he had to do let him do what he wants?

I bring this up because Mayweather has only had 39 fights in his career
27 of those fights were at Jr. Lightweight
4 were at lightweight
3 were at Jr. Weterweight
4 were at Welterweight
1 was at Jr. Middleweight

• Lineal Champion in 3 Divisions (The Ring Belt)
• 5 Division Champion
• Superfeather weight Lineal Champion (Fact) (The Ring Belt)
• Lightweight Lineal Champion (Fact) (The Ring Belt)
• Welterweight Lineal Champion (Fact) (The Ring Belt)

At this point of Mayweather career to try and he needs to
in 1 division and fight every up and comer their is, to me is pretty ignorant.
Because he has already did that at 130.
when he stayed there for 27 fights.

Right Now Mayweather needs to fight the best fighters in any weight class.
Instead of up and comers. I rather see Mayweather fight pacquaio rather then a unproven Clottey or under achiveving Miguel Cotto.

Mayweight doesnt have a weight class... he, Paul Williams, and Manny Pacquiao all can fight at 3 different weight classes because they have the ability too.

[Horus]

no

if Floyd is not a true welter, then why wouldn't YOU want him to fight a JMM at a weight where both are closer to their natural weight then?

stop using the excuse of "well JMM called him out" honestly why wouldn't you want to see him fight at a weight where the challenge is real and not made up by those who think Floyd can do no wrong

I say Floyd is not a true welterweight COMPARED to the rest of the fighters in the welterweight division.

The reason that weight classes exist at all is to ensure a fair fight. Fair and safe competition begins with the requirement that the two men facing each other are the same size in terms of weight.


At Welterweight Floyd fights at a Physical Disadvantage every fight, because he is coming in at the welterweight limit and other fighters are coming in as Middleweights...!

I am pretty sure if Floyd wanted to fight middleweights, he would rather fight for a middleweight title rather than a welterweight title.

At Welterweight.
Floyd is suppose to be fighting 147 pound fighters not 165 pounds Fighters posing as 147 pound fighters....


But People say all he has to fight a real WW and nobody else..!!!
Like Floyd comes in at 160 like every other fighter does at Welterweight.

FLOYD IS NOT A NATURAL WELTERWEIGHT COMPARED TO OTHER WELTERWEIGHTS.

If you are truly interested in Welterweights (147 pounders) fighting welterweights...then you should be disgusted at the fact that all the supposedly Welterweights in the WW division all fight around 160 when the fight starts. when the limit they should be at is 147.


When people say Floyd needs to beat a real WW and stop fighting on smaller guys?

They say that like Floyd 1st or 2nd division was WW and he has been fighting Small guys his whole Career....

Context
The WW Division

Cotto's: 2nd Division
Margarito's: 2nd Division
Shane Mosley: 3rd Division
Andre Berto: 2nd Division (1st:160)
Joshua Clottey:1st Division
Kermit Cintron: 1st Division
Paul Williams:2nd Division (1st:160)
CarlosQuintana:1st Division
Floyd Mayweather 4th Division

If you say Mayweather has grown into the Welther weight division even though that is his 4th Division


PLease Answer this Direct Question:

1.If Mayweather Has grown into a Natural WW, What Have the Other Fighters who have been in the WW division Grown into if that is their 1st or 2nd Division..?
or do you think that Mayweather is the only fighter who Grows in the Division?

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...ne#post5117184

Here is the Logic:

Boxers have 17 weight classes to fit into. They should be compelled to fight within the one that most nearly reflects their actual trim and fit weight.

The primary objective of having 17 weight classes in this sport should be to determine the best fighters within specific intervals of weight. Not to pick on Margarito, but if he weighs a trim and fit 165 lbs. on fight night, then how on Earth can we call him the 147 lb. champion with a straight face?
Why have so many weight classes if the boxers being weighed are going to make a mockery of the system?

[AllEyesOpen]

I really don't see why any of this is an issue up for discussion. all else aside the fact is, at least in my opinion, that it seems that the 3 best pound 4 pound fighters in the world are headed for a clash, this is history in the making.

[RL_GMA]

Eaner0919 # 1:.if you are indeed going to campaign at welterweight for a fight don't you think it's more of a challenge to fight a true legitimate welterweight than a blown up lightweight?

First technically we dont know what weight class Floyd intends to campaign at, and the point of a tune up is not to be in to tough of a fight...
the point is to tune up your skills and get a easy win because your next fight is going to be for real. A tune up is basically Paid for public sparring session/

People Saying Mayweather vs. JMM as a tune up is a joke.

Those fights are not tune ups period.

His tune up should be anybody who resembles his next opponent. period.
If he is fighting a southpaw next his tune up should be a southpaw.
If he is fighting a Orthodox fighter next then his tune up should be a Orthodox fighter.

For example if Mayweather plans on Fighting Pacquaio in November or December... His Tune should not be JMM because Pacquaio and JMM are 2 completely different fighters.. a perfect tune up for pacquaio would be a fighter like Yodsanan who is Asain southpaw just like Pacquaio.


A tune up in boxing is the same thing as a scrimmage in football..but the only different is in the tune up we keep score.

Eaner0919#2:
I dont think anyone questions his campaign at 130 so why bring this up? so you can say he did what he had to do let him do what he wants?

I bring this up because Mayweather has only had 39 fights in his career
27 of those fights were at Jr. Lightweight
4 were at lightweight
3 were at Jr. Weterweight
4 were at Welterweight
1 was at Jr. Middleweight

• Lineal Champion in 3 Divisions (The Ring Belt)
• 5 Division Champion
• Superfeather weight Lineal Champion (Fact) (The Ring Belt)
• Lightweight Lineal Champion (Fact) (The Ring Belt)
• Welterweight Lineal Champion (Fact) (The Ring Belt)

At this point of Mayweather career to try and he needs to
in 1 division and fight every up and comer their is, to me is pretty ignorant.
Because he has already did that at 130.
when he stayed there for 27 fights.

Right Now Mayweather needs to fight the best fighters in any weight class.
Instead of up and comers. I rather see Mayweather fight pacquaio rather then a unproven Clottey or under achiveving Miguel Cotto.

Mayweight doesnt have a weight class... he, Paul Williams, and Manny Pacquiao all can fight at 3 different weight classes because they have the ability too.

Besides Pacquiao, what other fights would make sense for Floyd to take in this stage of his career looking at both 140-147 landscape? Do you believe because Floyd had most of his fights at 130 that his move up to WW is something like Roy Jones getting a strap at Heavyweight and then moving back down? Is a fight with the top WWs a disadvantage to Floyd right now? I'm genuinely asking.