NSB: Would you rather have Floyd fight the BEST of any weightclass or Just WW?

[Luis12]

I don't give anything for what JMM thinks in that regard. I bet he's thinking $$$$$$ above anything. It's about how important this fight is for Floyds legacy.

what legacy??

[Walt Liquor]

Eaner0919 # 1:.if you are indeed going to campaign at welterweight for a fight don't you think it's more of a challenge to fight a true legitimate welterweight than a blown up lightweight?

First technically we dont know what weight class Floyd intends to campaign at, and the point of a tune up is not to be in to tough of a fight...
the point is to tune up your skills and get a easy win because your next fight is going to be for real. A tune up is basically Paid for public sparring session/

People Saying Mayweather vs. JMM as a tune up is a joke.

Those fights are not tune ups period.

His tune up should be anybody who resembles his next opponent. period.
If he is fighting a southpaw next his tune up should be a southpaw.
If he is fighting a Orthodox fighter next then his tune up should be a Orthodox fighter.

For example if Mayweather plans on Fighting Pacquaio in November or December... His Tune should not be JMM because Pacquaio and JMM are 2 completely different fighters.. a perfect tune up for pacquaio would be a fighter like Yodsanan who is Asain southpaw just like Pacquaio.


A tune up in boxing is the same thing as a scrimmage in football..but the only different is in the tune up we keep score.

Eaner0919#2:
I dont think anyone questions his campaign at 130 so why bring this up? so you can say he did what he had to do let him do what he wants?

I bring this up because Mayweather has only had 39 fights in his career
27 of those fights were at Jr. Lightweight
4 were at lightweight
3 were at Jr. Weterweight
4 were at Welterweight
1 was at Jr. Middleweight
[LIST][*] Lineal Champion in 3 Divisions (The Ring Belt)[*] 5 Division Champion[*] Superfeather weight Lineal Champion (Fact) (The Ring Belt)[*] Lightweight Lineal Champion (Fact) (The Ring Belt)
[*] Welterweight Lineal Champion (Fact) (The Rin

At this point of Mayweather career to try and he needs to
in 1 division and fight eve up and comer their is, to me is pretty ignorant.
Because he has already did that at 130.
when he stayed there for 27 fights.

Right Now Mayweather needs to fight the best fighters in any weight class.
Instead of up and comers. I rather see Mayweather fight pacquaio rather then a unproven Clottey or under achiveving Miguel Cotto.
Mayweight doesnt have a weight class... he, Paul Williams, and Manny Pacquiao all can fight at 3 different weight classes because they have the ability too.

That was horrible! Don't compare Floyd to pwill and PAC. They bounce around weight classes to fight people in those particular weights, not to make other fighters fight out of their weight classes. No need to dismantle the rest of that post

[Horus]

Besides Pacquiao, what other fights would make sense for Floyd to take in this stage of his career looking at both 140-147 landscape? Do you believe because Floyd had most of his fights at 130 that his move up to WW is something like Roy Jones getting a strap at Heavyweight and then moving back down? Is a fight with the top WWs a disadvantage to Floyd right now? I'm genuinely asking.

Floyd should fight the fights that enhance his legacy from a historical standpoint.

As of Right Now.
I just want to see Mayweather fight Big Names reguardless the weight class.
from 140-160 i just dont care about him being in 1 division.

I just want him to enhance his legacy by making history.

History would be if he went and got himself a middleweight title
History would be if he went and became a lineal champion @ 154
History would be if he went and became a lineal champion @ 140

Those are the kind of fights i want to see him in.

Because at the end of the day every division has a Joshua Clottey and a Miguel Cotto. But every division does not have a Juan Manuel Marquez, or a Manny Pacquiao.

and I want to see Mayweather fights with proven great fighters reguardless the weightclass.

[deevel79]

Floyd should fight the fights that enhance his legacy from a historical standpoint.

As of Right Now.
I just want to see Mayweather fight Big Names reguardless the weight class.
from 140-160 i just dont care about him being in 1 division.

I just want him to enhance his legacy by making history.

History would be if he went and got himself a middleweight title
History would be if he went and became a lineal champion @ 154
History would be if he went and became a lineal champion @ 140

Those are the kind of fights i want to see him in.

Because at the end of the day every division has a Joshua Clottey and a Miguel Cotto. But every division does not have a Juan Manuel Marquez, or a Manny Pacquiao.

and I want to see Mayweather fights with proven great fighters reguardless the weightclass.

If Floyd is willing to move up and down to these weight-classes in order to achieve this, then its all good, and props to him.

Its when he's trying to take on the lower weight-class champions at higher weight-classes where he's at an advantage is where people have the problem.

[RL_GMA]

Floyd should fight the fights that enhance his legacy from a historical standpoint.

As of Right Now.
I just want to see Mayweather fight Big Names reguardless the weight class.
from 140-160 i just dont care about him being in 1 division.

I just want him to enhance his legacy by making history.

History would be if he went and got himself a middleweight title
History would be if he went and became a lineal champion @ 154
History would be if he went and became a lineal champion @ 140

Those are the kind of fights i want to see him in.

Because at the end of the day every division has a Joshua Clottey and a Miguel Cotto. But every division does not have a Juan Manuel Marquez, or a Manny Pacquiao.

and I want to see Mayweather fights with proven great fighters reguardless the weightclass.

As of Right Now.
I just want to see Mayweather fight Big Names reguardless the weight class.
from 140-160 i just dont care about him being in 1 division.

Which fighters do you believe help enhance Floyd's legacy monetarily and competitively?

I just want him to enhance his legacy by making history.

History would be if he went and got himself a middleweight title
History would be if he went and became a lineal champion @ 154
History would be if he went and became a lineal champion @ 140

Though I agree with that to an extent, to become Lineal champ in either of those divisions considering big money has to be involved with a fight with Floyd, I'm not sure anyone from 140,154, or even 160 (except maybe Pavlik) gives him a big payday (and I dont think we will ever see a Pavlik vs Mayweather fight)

Because at the end of the day every division has a Joshua Clottey and a Miguel Cotto. But every division does not have a Juan Manuel Marquez, or a Manny Pacquiao.

You can't deny Cotto being one of the biggest stars in the sport. Him having 1 loss didn't really drop him off the radar as he's regarded as the #2 WW in the World behind Mosley (whom he has a win over). Him fighting Clottey is a risky fight in the sense of low reward / high risk, but people will flood MSG to see Cotto way more than to see Clottey.

[Eaner0919]

First technically we dont know what weight class Floyd intends to campaign at,

well from what we have seen as far as the ongoing talks about fighting Maqruez he indeed is planning to campaign at Welter.

He is making the lineal LW champ fight above 140

uh thats a welterweight fight sir

and the point of a tune up is not to be in to tough of a fight...
the point is to tune up your skills and get a easy win because your next fight is going to be for real. A tune up is basically Paid for public sparring session/

thats not true at all. There are scores of reasons why people have tune ups

People Saying Mayweather vs. JMM as a tune up is a joke.

I dont think anyone is saying that flat out but the higher in weight he makes Marquez go the less and less it becomes a serious matchup

that is indeed a tune up. Forcing the hand of a fighter who is two full weight classes below your last weight class isn't much of a threat unless it's someone

1. big for that class and has issues making weight ala JLC
2. someone young enough to make the leap and still be effective ala Shane moving from 135 to 147

Those fights are not tune ups period.

sure it is just not the definition of tune up you picture.

a fight without much thread, without much drama, and putting the opponent at a distinct disdvantage?

thats a tune up sir

His tune up should be anybody who resembles his next opponent. period.
If he is fighting a southpaw next his tune up should be a southpaw.
If he is fighting a Orthodox fighter next then his tune up should be a Orthodox fighter.

For example if Mayweather plans on Fighting Pacquaio in November or December... His Tune should not be JMM because Pacquaio and JMM are 2 completely different fighters.. a perfect tune up for pacquaio would be a fighter like Yodsanan who is Asain southpaw just like Pacquaio.


A tune up in boxing is the same thing as a scrimmage in football..but the only different is in the tune up we keep score.

not always. Rubio doesn't represent anything like Mora. Jennings doesn't resemble anything like Clottey

I bring this up because Mayweather has only had 39 fights in his career
27 of those fights were at Jr. Lightweight
4 were at lightweight
3 were at Jr. Weterweight
4 were at Welterweight
1 was at Jr. Middleweight

• Lineal Champion in 3 Divisions (The Ring Belt)
• 5 Division Champion
• Superfeather weight Lineal Champion (Fact) (The Ring Belt)
• Lightweight Lineal Champion (Fact) (The Ring Belt)
• Welterweight Lineal Champion (Fact) (The Ring Belt)

again we can break down his post 135 career if you like but I think its an exercise in futility. 135 and below I have no issues with

At this point of Mayweather career to try and he needs to
in 1 division and fight every up and comer their is, to me is pretty ignorant.
Because he has already did that at 130.
when he stayed there for 27 fights.

first off if you want to call me ignorant TRUST ME I can talk s.hit with the best of them but unlike most in here who think you are an utter joke I do not treat like that so if you want to go that route you can.

now back to the quote

Horus you totally miss the point of being an all time great. You don't say

ok I fought everyone at ___ now lets go to other divisions regardless of the level of opposition.

do we question the resume of Mosley who moves from 135 to 147 to 154 and yet still fights the best opponents there are in those respective divisions?

what about Pacquiao's ascent to 140?

yet even those with the faintest boxing knowledge here can see that Mayweather flat out has not followed the same blueprint at 140 and 147

you cannot be an all time great based on taking on all comers and then stopping that line of thinking at 2002

Right Now Mayweather needs to fight the best fighters in any weight class.

even if it means taking them as far away from their respective weight classes as possible? Does that also mean that its ok for him to fight Ivan Calderon at 142 as well? I mean he is considered the best pure boxer in the game by your standards it shouldnt matter right?

Instead of up and comers. I rather see Mayweather fight pacquaio rather then a unproven Clottey or under achiveving Miguel Cotto.

thats fine but you know as well as I do Manny has proven to take the added weight well. He was a 180 from what Hatton showed at 147.

Mayweight doesnt have a weight class... he, Paul Williams, and Manny Pacquiao all can fight at 3 different weight classes because they have the ability too.

thats fine and dandy but here is the difference

Paul Williams? will go to 160 to fight his opponents. He will go back to 154 or 147 if the challenge is there. He has said it himself

Manny Pacquiao? is going to whatever weight class he feels there is a challenge.

Floyd? fighting a fighter 2 weight classes above his best

big difference

[Smash]

because you're a hater

you must've forgot that floyd used to be 130 lbs and 147 is floyd's 4th weight division.

Lots of people raise the issue that floyd is a lineal welter weight champ like its a massive achievement. I simply say that beating baldo who got the titles off juddah is fine, but lots of guys could have done this. Then im a hater. Unbelieveable. How it that hating pullcounter??

No, i havint forgot that floyd was a fighter in the lower divisions. I also havnt forgotten that floyd had to starve himself to make weight on some occasions just like other fighers do. As you get older it often becomes harder to make weight and fighters move up in class.

Then there is the other thing about whether floyd is really a "true" welter or not? I really cant understand this, if you cant/wont get down (for years) to 140 to fight then you are a welter, not a big welter, but a welter. If you can come in and look and fight sharp at 152 fight night for de la hoya, thats not bad at all imo for a welter. Most people actually give the smaller fighter at a weight class more credit for their wins simply for being the lighter guy.

I like floyd fighting jmm, no problem with it, or against pac. I just make the point that id like to see him in against some "welters" too, like cotto and mosley. I dont think the weight issue should be a big issue against them, thats just my opinion

[Horus]

If Floyd is willing to move up and down to these weight-classes in order to achieve this, then its all good, and props to him.

Its when he's trying to take on the lower weight-class champions at higher weight-classes where he's at an advantage is where people have the problem.

i bet you had allot of problems with some of the great fights in history then...
with higher weight class champions fighting lower weight class champions and when they had the advantage...

[Pullcounter]

If Floyd is willing to move up and down to these weight-classes in order to achieve this, then its all good, and props to him.

Its when he's trying to take on the lower weight-class champions at higher weight-classes where he's at an advantage is where people have the problem.

then what do you call hopkins/tito, hopkins/pavlik, hopkins/winky and hopkins/dlh?

did you have any problems with these fights?

Lots of people raise the issue that floyd is a lineal welter weight champ like its a massive achievement. I simply say that beating baldo who got the titles off juddah is fine, but lots of guys could have done this. Then im a hater. Unbelieveable. How it that hating pullcounter??

floyd used to be a 130 lber... there aren't many 130 lbers that are 147 lbs lineal champs. that's all I'm saying.

No, i havint forgot that floyd was a fighter in the lower divisions. I also havnt forgotten that floyd had to starve himself to make weight on some occasions just like other fighers do. As you get older it often becomes harder to make weight and fighters move up in class.

good, then you understand that a 130 lber winning a 147 lbs lineal championship is a good acheivement.

Then there is the other thing about whether floyd is really a "true" welter or not? I really cant understand this, if you cant/wont get down (for years) to 140 to fight then you are a welter, not a big welter, but a welter. If you can come in and look and fight sharp at 152 fight night for de la hoya, thats not bad at all imo for a welter. Most people actually give the smaller fighter at a weight class more credit for their wins simply for being the lighter guy.

there is a lot of confusion about this not just from you but from alot of other posters. I have my own opinion, but I won't explicate unless you ask.

I like floyd fighting jmm, no problem with it, or against pac. I just make the point that id like to see him in against some "welters" too, like cotto and mosley. I dont think the weight issue should be a big issue against them, thats just my opinion

then I dunno what you're problem w/ me is... i wanna see pbf vs. jmm/pac/mosley/cotto. I wanna see all those fights.

[RL_GMA]

then what do you call hopkins/tito, hopkins/pavlik, hopkins/winky and hopkins/dlh?

did you have any problems with these fights?

De La Hoya and Tito had fights at Middleweight before they fought Bernard. It wasn't like they were fighting at 147 and moved up to 160 to fight Bernard.

In the case of Floyd vs JMM, that indeed would be the case.