This Fight Is Not A Tuneup and Stop Hating!

[Dorian]

I agree. Sorry man.

[Xcusemymood]

[QUOTE=2501;5097540]dont need to. just the opening sentences with "the haters" is enough to let me know what this thread is all about. its no different from 99.9% of your other threads.

Floyd = scared to fight at 135-140.[/QUOTE]

Where were you?

[Parody]

Floyd = scared to fight at 135-140.

And your an objective poster, specially when it comes to Floyd... considering you have made more threads/posts about Floyd than any of your favourite fighters on your sig.

[PACBOY]

This is long but a must read! Mayweather fans, stop falling for this bull crap. The haterz have got so bad that they have convinced a ton of Floyd fans that they have to feel bad about this fight. Thats bull crap.

In Floyd's WW fights he would weigh-in at 146 and come into the ring at 148. He even had to pot shot in most of his fights because the guys were so much bigger then him. Meanwhile JMM just KO a very very very good fighter in Diaz who was the best LW in the world and JMM looked physicaly very good in that fight. He's not that far off from Pac in terms of having a good body. JMM then called him out and now there fighting. This is not a tuneup. This is a real fight. By saying that its a tuneup, you will then be taking credit away from Floyd when that shouldnt be the case. Floyd is not Margarito, Williams, Clottey, or Cotto. I cant beleive how people dont care at all about Floyd fighting at 148 while those guys come in the ring between 162-170 pounds and one of them is currently fighting at MW. Margarito just got KO and his fans say that he was weight drained and should move up. Its a joke.

How come its so bad for JMM to move up but no one has a problem with Williams going to fight guys like Pavlik at MW after just fighting Quintana or Mitchell? I dont hear anyone saying anything about that. Infact they say that Williams should fight Pavlik and he's a punk if he doesnt. Are we all forgetting about the Mayweather-Winky Wright proposal? I think people forget alot about the facts. Floyd had just beat Gatti at 140 while Winky had just killed Tito at MW. Floyd wasnt even a big 140 pounder and had only had 3 fights at that weight but not one single person said that Floyd shouldnt fight Winky. They were way way way further apart in size then Floyd-JMM and still everyone said that Floyd should fight Winky. Floyd was a small 140 pounder and wouldve had to jump straight to 154 to fight a guy who had fought at 154 his whole life and just fought at 160. A guy who came into the ring in his last fight at 168 pounds while Floyd was 144 for Gatti. That fight was so fair but Floyd-JMM isnt when Floyd comes in at 148 and JMM at 146? Remember, its not like Floyd is going back to step 1. Floyd has moved up in weight a ton of times also. Tell those WW's that you brag on so much to move up and lets see how they do besides Williams. They wont look the same at all. People make it sound like Floyd is a 160 pound WW in his 1st division picking on little JMM. Get real.

Do you remember what alot of people said when the talks were breaking down? They actually ripped Floyd and blamed him. They called him a punk and said that he was the one that asked for the fight. Now JMM is asking for it but everyone is still ripping Floyd? Even with the size mismatch there were a ton of people saying that you shouldnt count Floyd out because he is a P4P beast. JMM is that same beast but he has no chance? Come on now, you guys are such hypocrites. Floyd fans, dont fall for it. JMM is the real deal. This is not a tuneup. It will only be a tuneup in the sense that Floyd treats everyone like a tuneup. How can you have a tuneup with maybe the best guy in the sport? Even still Floyd is fighting him at a catch weight when he didnt have to at all. Williams was just asking for Calzaghe to fight him all the way at 168 but JMM cant fight little Floyd? Did you guys see that AT&T commercial? Can any other WW look like that? He is a small guy but he's not going to sacrafice his future to appease JMM. For what? It makes no sense. The fact is simple. He's Floyd and whatever side of the fence he's on is the wrong side. He will always be wrong in a ton of fans & medias eyes. They despise him with a passion and he will always be the bad guy. He's a victim of his own talent. People penalyze him because he's talented enough to fight above his natural weight.

When did we hear Floyd ever say that this was a tuneup? The closest thing weve ever heard was a reporter who said they talked to Floyd's friend who told them they wanted a tuneup before Pac and everyone jumps on that. Even now you have half the media saying that JMM is the tuneup and the other half are saying that he was talking about someone else before JMM, not JMM as the tuneup. Floyd in no way will call JMM a tuneup. How can JMM be a tuneup for Pac when alot of people think JMM beat Pac both times and is the P4P #1 guy in the sport? Its getting redicules. Dont get me wrong, I think Floyd kills him but thats only because I think Floyd kills just about everyone in history if he fights at his natural weight. Thats what people are misunderstanding. He's so good that its like he cant fight at his natural weight anymore or people will rip him. Yet when he fights above it then they rip him for pot shotting and running all fight long. Now there saying that Floyd may have a tuneup before JMM. Whats wrong with that? That would be great for boxing. I think he would be trying to make the JMM fight that much bigger. Im just sick of the double standard that people dont even realize that there doing. When you have a shot to fight the 2 best guys in the sport then you dont hesitate on that because it may not be on the table again or guys may lose. You have to jump at it because you can fight the other guys anytime after that

you want answer...read my thread.

[Xcusemymood]

Thats becasue so many people hate Floyd and wanted their hero(hatton, De La hoya) to KO the annoying *******.

I'll give floyd credit for how his villian role played a big part in selling those fights but the fact is Floyd has to have an extreamly popular fighter for that to work. Hatton and De La Hoya sell out stadiums fighting journeyman which floyd has never accomplished and comparing Floyd to MAB, JMM, and Morales goes to show you how poor of a draw he really is. Those guys are only popular in certin regions!!!! They arn't great stars in the grand scheme of things especially since they fought mostly at featherweight or JR Lightweight which isn't exactly full of PPV stars.


Are you gonna compare floyds PPV numbers to Michael Carbajals PPV numbers next?

So how is that not a draw? Youve just proven to be a huge hypocrite.

[pistol whip]

Im comparing him because they were the biggest names and most hyped fighters in the sport. You do know this is American boxing right? Its not like youre going to be crazy popular in this day and time but the fact is that Floyd is the #1 guy right now with Oscar gone and you cant dispute that. He's much more popular then any other guy in boxing unless your just talking about Hatton or guys from England being popluar in there own Country. Hatton isnt popular. He just has those fans because boxing is still a huge sport over there. Its the same with all the other Nationalities. If Floyd was from where Hatton was then he would be way bigger then Hatton and you know it. If Hatton was an American then he wouldnt have a quarter of the fans that he has now and you know it

If hatton was american? Who care's what country the fighter is from that has nothing to do with how popular they actually are? It's typical that an American like you would think that only American fans count. Nevermind that selling 1.2 million PPV's in England is like selling 2 million in America since the English pound is worth more than the American dollar.

And how in the hell is floyd the most popular in america right now when that title is clearly held by Manny pacman. he isn't even American and people flock to this guy in America. When was the last time people were flocking to see Floyd train in his gym?? When have they ever held parades in his honor in this country? **** before the wraps incident Margarito himself was more popular in America than floyd.

[pistol whip]

So how is that not a draw? Youve just proven to be a huge hypocrite.

Ugh because multiple fighters draw better numbers than floyd when they fight nobodies. In otherwords Floyd may compliment a popular fighters PPV numbers but he will never put good PPV numbers up on his own.


And to make sure you understand Floyd is an average draw at best! I'm not exactly comparing him to Paul Williams dismal drawing power now am I?

[warp1432]

Stop talking crazy. JMM is the top or 2nd P4P guy in the sport. What are you even saying. Why would he automaticaly pick Shane over him? You act like Shane is Oscar. He dont bring any kind of money. Thats why he wants Floyd now. I havent said anything about people picking Cotto or Margarito over Floyd. Ive just said why I think he will win and there boys say why they think Cotto & Margarito will win. Its just normal talk. Even myself has said that because of the size, they will give Floyd problems. Stop acting like you know me. Youre just generalyzing because Im a Floyd fan. That use to be my whole point. I use to say that based on skill there is no one that thinks Margarito is P4P better then Floyd. Its 2 different leagues but Margarito may win just because of his size so what does that really prove? That tells you that they really shouldnt be fighting eachother. You only think Margarito can win because of size. Stop acting like you know me. Youre just generalyzing because Im a Floyd fan.

Are you ****ing kidding me? He brings money with a huge win over Margarito. He's not Oscar, but he's clearly a bigger draw then JMM. You talk about JMM being the 2nd best P4P, but that's because of the work he's done at a lower weight class and giving two tough fights to Pacquiao. JMM is a nightmare for someone like Pac and others, but not Floyd in which the fight probably won't be competitive. Shane would draw a lot more then JMM would. You also forget Shane is the #5 p4p and would also probably beat JMM as well.

Then you talk about speed. Oh, I forgot that Floyd has the same speed he had at 130. Even Oscar when he fought Floyd said that he can beat Floyd because Floyd isnt the same guy at WW that he was at the lower classes. He said that he has average speed now and suspect power. Back when all the WW's were calling out Floyd, they were all saying that he is too small to beat them. Williams use to call Margarito & Cotto punks for calling out Floyd. He said that they just want him because they know he's not a real WW and doesnt belong there. Then the next day he would call out Floyd his ownself. Its the same for Cintron. He use to always say that Floyd isnt a real WW and would get hurt by any of the big boys so he should shut up

It's not only speed. It's defense. The reason why Mayweather has been able to go up and fight and be successful is because of his better defense. JMM's defense used to be pretty good and it's not bad now, but his reactions have slipped and he gets hit more because of it. Also you can say Floyd gets hit more too, but not as much as JMM. JMM loses more of that then Floyd when comparing going up in weight.

[PoetryInMotion]

I see this fight as JMM selling his legacy, p4p ranking and status in the sport, I find it sad. JMM is a smarter fighter and can out think Floyd IMO, but the weight will lead to a Floyd KO of JMM.

[MaFu MoFo]

FIRST of all, I could not read the first post entirely. But from what I had read on "respectable news", PBF wants the fight with JMM to be at 147lbs. To keep it simple and short, "THAT'S BUUUUULLSHHHHITTT!!!" If PBF wants to fight at WelterWeight, then fight a "real welterweight". The opponent doesn't need to be an elite fighter, since it will be a tune-up fight, but for the love of God, if he is fighting JMM, make it 140 lbs at the heaviest weight for the fight to be fair.