De La Hoya Beats Pacquiao if Not Drained, Says Steward

[UnDeniable]

The Oscar that fought Floyd would have beaten Pacquiao

But its irrelevant, Roach saw an oppurtunity to weaken Oscar and it played out beautifully


I just hope Roach doesn't try to get Floyd /Cotto down to 140 if they fight Pacquiao

[loui_ludwig]

Well, if the judge didn't make an error on the 1st round of their first fight, Pacquiao would have won by split decision over JMM.

If Roy Jones fought Joe C on his prime, Jones would have beaten the Welsh.

If Margarito was not caught with plaster of paris, he would have KO'ed Mosley.

[Pullcounter]

The Oscar that fought Floyd would have beaten Pacquiao

But its irrelevant, Roach saw an oppurtunity to weaken Oscar and it played out beautifully


I just hope Roach doesn't try to get Floyd /Cotto down to 140 if they fight Pacquiao

yeah, but that version of dlh would not have been able to make 147, so it's irrelevant

[MASSMAN]

I agree with Emanuel Steward

Oscar would have whupped Pacman good if it wasnt for the weight drain. It only makes common sense. Just as Pacman would struggle life and death with Marquez again if he had to drain himself back down to 125pds for a fight. Weight drain does have an effect on an opponents performance in the ring..

Oscar did it for the last BIG payday, plain and the simple!!! He knew he would be nothing at 145 against Pacman, thats why he fought Mayweather at 154!!

[guru]

i saw nothing in that slaughter to suggest that if oscar was 7-8 pounds heavier he would have won... he would have been more competitive, but still lost.....

age has caught up to him, he cant pull the trigger anymore... the writing was on wall when when you lookd at his face after the steve forbes fight...

[LEFTYGUNZZ]

Well, if the judge didn't make an error on the 1st round of their first fight, Pacquiao would have won by split decision over JMM.

If Roy Jones fought Joe C on his prime, Jones would have beaten the Welsh.

If Margarito was not caught with plaster of paris, he would have KO'ed Mosley.

Talking about fighting at different times in their respective carreers is totally different then talking about weight drain. Pac fought great but hitting a staionary target and fighting a more lively non larthargic fighter is toattly different as well. Plain and simple we will never know if Pac could have beaten a prime ODLH at WW cause he didn't fight a prime ODLH. He fought a ODLH that was weight drained and past his prime. He fought a ODLH that shouldnot have been fighting at 147 and had not fought at 147 in over 7 years. Fact it is easier to move up in weight then move down in weight. Moving up in weight to fight a boxer at his natural weight is different then moving up in weight to fight at a catch weight where your opponent has to move down 1 or 2 weight classes to meet you there.

Bottom line Oscar was weight drained he looked like crap and got beat by a prime Pacman. Alternate scenario Oscar is not weight drained comes in at 147 hydrates back up to say 158-160 he fights pacman and beat him like everyone thought he was going to do. then we are saying Oscart picked on a smaller man. Pac had to go up towo weight classes to fight ODLH. Why didnt Oscar fight Cotto or Margarito? I think oscar was trying to avoid that and that is tyhe reason for him not hydrating himself until the weigh in on fight night. he wanted the HBo announcers to say Odlh is at 145 and Pacman is 148. WOW Oscar actually weighs less then Pacqioa.....Lefty

[loui_ludwig]

Talking about fighting at different times in their respective carreers is totally different then talking about weight drain. Pac fought great but hitting a staionary target and fighting a more lively non larthargic fighter is toattly different as well. Plain and simple we will never know if Pac could have beaten a prime ODLH at WW cause he didn't fight a prime ODLH. He fought a ODLH that was weight drained and past his prime. He fought a ODLH that shouldnot have been fighting at 147 and had not fought at 147 in over 7 years. Fact it is easier to move up in weight then move down in weight. Moving up in weight to fight a boxer at his natural weight is different then moving up in weight to fight at a catch weight where your opponent has to move down 1 or 2 weight classes to meet you there.

Bottom line Oscar was weight drained he looked like crap and got beat by a prime Pacman. Alternate scenario Oscar is not weight drained comes in at 147 hydrates back up to say 158-160 he fights pacman and beat him like everyone thought he was going to do. then we are saying Oscart picked on a smaller man. Pac had to go up towo weight classes to fight ODLH. Why didnt Oscar fight Cotto or Margarito? I think oscar was trying to avoid that and that is tyhe reason for him not hydrating himself until the weigh in on fight night. he wanted the HBo announcers to say Odlh is at 145 and Pacman is 148. WOW Oscar actually weighs less then Pacqioa.....Lefty

And whose fault was that? Not Pac. Pac came to do his thing and his team prepare him for it. And Pac jump 2 weight divisions to fight Oscar, so he made concessions for the fight too. There were even some media and fans said that speed might deacrase.

Oscar and his team on the other hand on their prepartions, didn't do too well. Even Bernstein said Oscar was in shape for the fight.

Pac used his speed to his advantage and after throwing punches he moved out of the way as not to get hit.

[LEFTYGUNZZ]

And whose fault was that? Not Pac. Pac came to do his thing and his team prepare him for it. And Pac jump 2 weight divisions to fight Oscar, so he made concessions for the fight too. There were even some media and fans said that speed might deacrase.

Oscar and his team on the other hand on their prepartions, didn't do too well. Even Bernstein said Oscar was in shape for the fight.

Pac used his speed to his advantage and after throwing punches he moved out of the way as not to get hit.

Pac fought a tremendous fight....He won and deservingly so my friend. I am in no way saying other wise. Point that I am trying to make is that Oscar did NOT have the advantage as everyone thought going into the fight. The advantage of having someone move up to meet you at your weight class might be evident in many cases. But Pac did not move up to meet Oscar at his weight class. h moved up to WW and fought OScar at a weight class Oscar hadn't fought at in over 7 years. Now if Pac would have said F it Oscar I will fight you at 154 the way Floyd did and If pac wanted to come in at say 147 or 148 and let Oscar come in at his 154 and baloon up to say 160-162 on fight night and whipped Oscar the way he did that night then that would be the case of Pac jumping up to anotehr mans weight class and I would have said that Oscar had every advantage that night and got beat. Fact is Pac won but he did not meet Oscar at Oscar weight class. To me that fought at a catch weight for the both of them which was 147. This was a bad move for Oscar i said it from the beginning either way for him it was lose lose sitation....Lefty

[jetgeomcx]

Being out boxed and not pacing your self are completely different things then being weight drained. The outboxed and not pacing yourself happens in the ring being weight drained happens before you get in the ring. So in reality you come into the ring with a immediate disadvantage. Allowing your self to be outpointed because you didnt throw your jab enough is your own fault. Which is what happened in the fight when ODLH lost a SD to Money May. Punching your self out because you are being taunted is your own fault and ****** on your part. Is what happened to Foreman in that fight against Ali. Allowing yourself to lose control because you are being head butted is your own fault which is what happened to Tyson. These are things you have control over. Being weight drained does not happen in the ring it happens duriong training camp and before you enter the ring. You have personal trainers hired and nutricianist to help you manage you weight and they are supposed to avoid things like that. Totally different things.....You can alot of things but being weight drained is NOT the same as what you comapred it to being. Now not training for a fight is the same as what you mentioned because the boxer himself didnt train that is his fault and NO ONE ELSES....What Tyson did when he lost to Douglas can be a prime example of that....he didnt take the fight seriously and lost becauise he didnt train he lost. Same as not using his jab or not pacing hiself. You can say well if he was better conditioned and trained harder he might have beaten Douglas easily.......That to me is comparable not what you are saying about ODLH.....Lefty

weight drained, weight drained, weight drained, weight drained, ....

oscar, dundee, nacho and the rest of delahoya team never said this thing!!
all of u "nincompoops" go ack to page 2 and read the post of "ChampBox@PR". just do it and learn something from there.....
oscar was already at 141 lbs 1 month before fyt nyt.

[LEFTYGUNZZ]

weight drained, weight drained, weight drained, weight drained, ....

oscar, dundee, nacho and the rest of delahoya team never said this thing!!
all of u "nincompoops" go ack to page 2 and read the post of "ChampBox@PR". just do it and learn something from there.....
oscar was already at 141 lbs 1 month before fyt nyt.

If we have a confirmation from someone on exactly how much Oscar weighed about a month before then maybe I would agree. But I remember seeing 24/7 and Oscar getting on the scale right before Thanks Giving and he was abount 149 or so not 141 not 144 not 147......So that statement is NOT true. If you watch 24/7 Hatton Pacquiao you will see where they talked to Freddie Roach and he said he saw fresh needle marks on his arm meaning he tried rehydrating himself too late. This is when Freddie Roach said he told Manny to jump on him right away....So i guess ChampBox@PR knows more then Freddie Roach, Manny Steward and everybody else saying that De La hoya was weight drained. Right?