Mayweather vs. Marquez Negotiations Stalled on Weight

[Rich Loc]

Taylor is better than PBF now

[Me La Pelan]

I was thrown off by your non-sequitur.

No worries, man. Much love. I don't engage in Internet beef.

I'm with you, sometimes it's too crazy in here.

[fdotorres]

but he took the fiight. he didnt care what weight class he had the balls to take the fight with no pervious fight at 135 ( which it would be Marquez first fight at 147, Pacuqio just had his first fight at 147 too). ppl think both sides have to comprise. at money yeah, but if you call somebody out, you think there gonna let you pick whats going on. Mayweather knew this with DLH too. but he told DLH pick the damn gloves, weight class, ring size, I'll still beat you!! I think Marquez really opened his mouth because he thought Mayweather wouldnt even think about him, well, time to back it up Marquez.

how many pounds did floyd gained to fight castillo?

how many pounds did pac gained to fight oscar?

how many pounds would marquez gain to fight floyd?

btw, don't compare fighting under an old de la hoya's terms to fighting under young floyd's terms, especially if they're even more demanding than those of old de la hoya

[Me La Pelan]

Then they would say Floyd was scared if he didnt go to 160 and if he didnt want to fight at 160 he shouldnt have called him out.

No man... that's what we are trying to say. If Floyd called out Pavlik and Pav was interested, they would start negotiations. That is the point of this whole thread. Negotiations don't Guarantee a fight. In Negotiations they TRY and compromise to reach a mutual agreement and finalize a contract.

[buckdacious]

how many pounds did floyd gained to fight castillo?

how many pounds did pac gained to fight oscar?

how many pounds would marquez gain to fight floyd?

btw, don't compare fighting under an old de la hoya's terms to fighting under young floyd's terms, especially if they're even more demanding than those of old de la hoya

how are they more demanding?? all he is asking for Marquez to step up and fight at 147. hes not gonna pick his gloves, or the size ring. if Marquez really wanted the fight then he would take it. otherwise keep that fat mouth shut and stay off the damn canvas.

[QUISQUEYA]

how many pounds did floyd gained to fight castillo?

how many pounds did pac gained to fight oscar?

how many pounds would marquez gain to fight floyd?

btw, don't compare fighting under an old de la hoya's terms to fighting under young floyd's terms, especially if they're even more demanding than those of old de la hoya

I'm confused.

You refer to an "old dlh" when talking about the FMJ fight. But in the same breath, you reference Pac moving up to fight DLH.

No offense, killa. But wasn't Oscar 2 years older. And lighter. And weakened?

I just don't know that you are picking the best examples.

My suggestion? You should look at the weight different between the fighters. That is the single most important issue. Dotcha think?

What is the weight difference between:


Pac/Oscar
Floyd/Oscar
Floyd/JMM

[buckdacious]

No man... that's what we are trying to say. If Floyd called out Pavlik and Pav was interested, they would start negotiations. That is the point of this whole thread. Negotiations don't Guarantee a fight. In Negotiations they TRY and compromise to reach a mutual agreement and finalize a contract.

yeah but you know damn well Pavilk wouldnt go to 154 to fight Mayweather, he would tell his ass to come up and fight at 160. thats basically the same thing thats happening here. Marquez should've never opened his mouth. if Mayweather called out Marquez and didnt want to at least go to 140 then I would call Mayweather a *****, but I cant now, because Marquez called him out.

[Njord777]

I see what you guys are saying. Marquez is quickly becoming regarded as one of the pound for pound best, and now Floyd has offered him a fight, so you feel to cement his status he needs to just take the plunge. You guys feel he rehydrates to a size that wouldn't suggest he's too much smaller than Floyd, and really the weight limit itself isn't important as they're similar sized men.

I guess I conede your point makes sense. Marquez would have never gotten a chance to fight Floyd a year or two ago, so he should suck it up and sign the contract to make it happen.

Problem is, I'm cynical. I no longer support Floyd as possessing the clout to make Marquez, an active, hard working fighter, jump through hoops. He's the bigger draw, but I have enormous respect for Marquez's last few fights. This being when Floyd was sitting around in his mansion.

What I want- plain and simple- is to have these two skills technicians battle in the best fight possible. Floyd spent a long time picking the best possible oppenent rather than the best possible fight and, honestly, I like him. I want him to silence the critics, though, and do that in a meaningful way. By earning it.

I feel that Floyd Mayweather could still make a lower weight and, in spirit of wanting to be the pound for pound mammoth he craves, should take on Marquez south of welterweight. Manny is the biggest fish, and Floyd would be closer to fighting him at their current weight if he popped down.

I just want the best possible fight. I know Floyd is a different beast now that he's moved up, and I don't think little men need to pretend to be big anymore. I want Marquez to fight where he's most competitive- and I know that without question- to legitimize the fight's outcome.

For once nobody will be able to detract from Floyd for fighting someone with an obvious advantage; he'll come down almost as a sign of his superiority.

How can't that be a good thing?

[Me La Pelan]

yeah but you know damn well Pavilk wouldnt go to 154 to fight Mayweather, he would tell his ass to come up and fight at 160. thats basically the same thing thats happening here. Marquez should've never opened his mouth. if Mayweather called out Marquez and didnt want to at least go to 140 then I would call Mayweather a *****, but I cant now, because Marquez called him out.

Okay If Pavlik would say No I won't drop weight, then at that time Floyd could say OK, well then I'll try other options. Which is EXACTLY WHERE NEGOTIATIONS are now with Floyd and JMM. How is anyone supposed to know HOW the NEGOTIATIONS are gonna turn out? Maybe Floyd accepted 140, maybe Pavlik would accept 154, the point is that JMM is trying to NEGOTIATE to FIGHT with Floyd since he is interested.

[buckdacious]

I hear you Njord. I want Mayweather to fight him at 140 too, or a ctach weight. but ppl cant call Mayweather a ***** when he was just chillin one night and Marquez called him out.