Why The Double Standard Between Margarito and Shane "Basketball Head" Mosley?

[dondi330]

It was never fine. And Mosley lied about it before he was forced by power of subpoena to testify. He wasnt exactly as forthright about it as you make it sound. And it has nothing to do with Margarito or Mosley themselves. If you read my original post its about the fans seemingly double standard about the two situations.
I'll say it again. Whether its loading your gloves or taking performance enhancing drugs, the result is the same: An unfair advantage over your opponent. Being twice as strong, fast and conditioned is just as bad as someone with **** in their gloves.
I dont know what Margarito is thinking, but I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt until he comes out and addresses it at length. I wont judge him until I hear what he has to say about it.

Well first off ...What is Margarito waiting for? a formal invitation to speak on his own behalf? Time is ticking and if he is telling the truth why is he taking so long to respond? The truth is easy and natural while lying takes time and thought.
Second...My statement "Truth is Shane finally admitted he used enhancers and Mosley was subpoenaed in the BALCO investigation and testified before a federal grand jury". What part of this statement is so deceiving ?"forthright about it as you make it sound"
Third... While they are both wrong only Shane admitted he committed the act, While Margarito is playing dumb saying he doesn't know what his trainer does to his wraps(after 10 years ) Which makes the case even worse for him because he could have illegally been wrapping and plastering for 10 years"unknowingly".
Fourth and finally The act of using a weapon against someone is worse than someone hyped up on something. If it is good enough for the judicial system then it should also apply to fighters who must also abide by the judicial system , they are no better than the average man.

[BattlingNelson]

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[Horus]

i agree with this thread starter.

Shane mosley said he though he was buying vitamins...
What vitamins cost $2000 dollars...?

this guy is a cheat. period.!

Nothing will change that in my eyes.

[Libido Sanchez]

Poon, try to look at it this way. Shane is not the only boxer to get caught using steroids and be able to fight again. Since using steroids in boxing seems like it's not necessarily the end of a fighter's career, maybe that's making some fighters consider using roids because they might be thinking, "Hey, everybody's doing it and if I get caught the worst that will happen is I get suspended 9 months, a year. I'll take the risk. I might not even get caught."

I think you'll agree that loaded wraps is extremely serious. Just for a second, nevermind how it compares to steroids because people can argue all day how roids help a fighter, but I don't think there's much argument as to how plaster can help destroy an opponent. It should be pretty obvious.

Now it might suck for Margarito big time to be used as an example (if he truly didn't now about the wraps, which is certainly debatable, though not very likely), but boxing has to take a serious stand against one of the most serious issues that can ever affect boxing. Even trying to cheat with plaster should be dealt with harshly. If other fighters see any sort of leniency regarding plaster or any other illegal wraps, then it might give them the idea to try to get away with it themselves. They might take a risk if the punishment is not that bad.

Look at baseball. I don't really follow baseball like that, but everybody and their grandma knows steroids is rampant in that sport. What if baseball players took the whole "everybody is doing it" approach and said, "**** it, if everybody is gonna play unfair, I'm gonna take steroids too." Maybe that's how steroids got out of control in baseball.

Now I'm not saying that every boxer is gonna start putting plaster in their wraps overnight, but even if one more fighter does it because they think the consequences aren't that bad or boxing is soft on the issue, then that would still be seriously messed up.

P.S. Popeye fighting Bluto (aka Brutus) before the spinach is not a fair fight. That's like a Lightweight vs. a Heavy.

[poontango]

Poon, try to look at it this way. Shane is not the only boxer to get caught using steroids and be able to fight again. Since using steroids in boxing seems like it's not necessarily the end of a fighter's career, maybe that's making some fighters consider using roids because they might be thinking, "Hey, everybody's doing it and if I get caught the worst that will happen is I get suspended 9 months, a year. I'll take the risk. I might not even get caught."

I think you'll agree that loaded wraps is extremely serious. Just for a second, nevermind how it compares to steroids because people can argue all day how roids help a fighter, but I don't think there's much argument as to how plaster can help destroy an opponent. It should be pretty obvious.

Now it might suck for Margarito big time to be used as an example (if he truly didn't now about the wraps, which is certainly debatable, though not very likely), but boxing has to take a serious stand against one of the most serious issues that can ever affect boxing. Even trying to cheat with plaster should be dealt with harshly. If other fighters see any sort of leniency regarding plaster or any other illegal wraps, then it might give them the idea to try to get away with it themselves. They might take a risk if the punishment is not that bad.

Look at baseball. I don't really follow baseball like that, but everybody and their grandma knows steroids is rampant in that sport. What if baseball players took the whole "everybody is doing it" approach and said, "**** it, if everybody is gonna play unfair, I'm gonna take steroids too." Maybe that's how steroids got out of control in baseball.

Now I'm not saying that every boxer is gonna start putting plaster in their wraps overnight, but even if one more fighter does it because they think the consequences aren't that bad or boxing is soft on the issue, then that would still be seriously messed up.

P.S. Popeye fighting Bluto (aka Brutus) before the spinach is not a fair fight. That's like a Lightweight vs. a Heavy.

The poonster doesnt disagree with you. He was merely trying to point out the inconsistencies on the part of the fans. It seems like Shano Mac is getting a lot more slack than Tony.

You're right about Popeye, Brutus was a big bastard, but the analogy was too funny to pass up.

[dans]

Part of this has to do with the fact that plaster in your hands is something that to people is real. It is an obvious advantage for a fighter no matter what. That is why people have a harder time with Margarito. His cheating is a direct and tangible advantage.

What Mosley did is wrong. Steroids are wrong for any athlete. He should recieve similar criticism from fans, but this Margarito thing was very public and very publicized, so naturally it recieves more attention.

I don't think it's a double standard, just the way things are. You put plaster in your wraps that's dirty. There's no two ways about it.

[poontango]

Part of this has to do with the fact that plaster in your hands is something that to people is real. It is an obvious advantage for a fighter no matter what. That is why people have a harder time with Margarito. His cheating is a direct and tangible advantage.

What Mosley did is wrong. Steroids are wrong for any athlete. He should recieve similar criticism from fans, but this Margarito thing was very public and very publicized, so naturally it recieves more attention.

I don't think it's a double standard, just the way things are. You put plaster in your wraps that's dirty. There's no two ways about it.

I get that the steroids issue is more abstract to people, but it is a double standard. Both are methods of gaining unfair advantage over your opponent. Different means to the same end.

[dans]

I get that the steroids issue is more abstract to people, but it is a double standard. Both are methods of gaining unfair advantage over your opponent. Different means to the same end.

By the way, that avatar is great.

[mathed]

I was looking at old photos of him and compared them to recent ones and his head is visibly bigger.

Maybe he just got smarter and his brain grew...lol. Really, let me take roids for 30 days and work out then hit you versus me not taking roids and just hitting you with a cast on my hand...I think you would most likely prefer the roids scenario. Both are wrong in my opinion and should be considered cheating.

No offense to any pro boxer, but there are more than a few roid users out there most just never get caught. Mosley has the better reputation I guess, he comes off as a clean cut guy that may help people forget easier than "the most avoided guy in boxing" label that Margarito was labeled as.

[poontango]

By the way, that avatar is great.

Thanks bro...I love that woman...