Would every notable WW have beaten DLH the night he fought Pacman?

[TheRef]

My $.02...

Oscar lost that fight - because he had NEVER seen anything remotely close to what MP brings to the ring. Oscar's stamina was fine - his conditioning, fine - and I don't buy into the talk that he was "too lean". He simply got beat by a guy that is at a different level. MP's stamina is the absolute best in the entire sport - maybe all-time. He hits you from ALL angles - with power - and hits you while moving TO those angles. Couple that with a very very solid chin, and that's why he is what he is. Oscar has relegated himself to boxing like a heavyweight...stalk...stalk...set...punch...stalk. ..stalk...set...punch. NO fighter can do that against MP and not get stroked over and over. I can't remember the last fight that Oscar was up on his toes and moving. When you've never faced a boxer that never allows you to rest, or to get set - and is just strafing you over and over - AND you can't counter-punch...you're done. Oscar had no answers - and it was a tough reality to accept, he had no choice but to acknowledge the fact that there was no way he was going to beat Manny - and was only going to get busted up in trying to. Styles make fights - and as big of a DLH fan as I've always been, I see this to be true: even his prime I don't think he would have beaten the Manny of today. I only care about 2 fights happening in the near future, and shame on them if they don't happen.
JMM vs. MP (Manny needs to make this fight happen and win - convincingly - it's the last little piece to solidifying himself as one of the all-time P4P greats)
or
PBF vs. MP (if Floyd wants his name to be listed with the all-time greats - he HAS to make this fight happen - until then he's just another good fighter)

- TheRef

[El Dominicano]

Judah that got KO'd by Kostya at 140 would have beaten Oscar that night

Judah would have killed that version of DLH

[dans]

what is the purpose of this thread?

I didn't have an agenda, if you can believe me. It was just an observation I had. I still believe it, but I'm getting **** for it, so I'm not sure it's worth it anymore.

[strugler]

I was set to revise it to go further, but WTF are you talking about?

The whole point of my post if you would pay attention is to show Pac, unlike the rest of the names mentioned at WW, only shows up at a certain weight for the fight at WW. While he showed up around 147-150, the other WWs would be showing up even higher, thus making it not as comparable as asking if Hatton would have beaten Oscar that night since Hatton comes into his fights around 149+ and not the 10+ pounds over the WW division set weight.

Understand or should I continue on?

Pac outweighed delahoya by 1.5 pounds according to the unofficial HBO and here you are proclaiming all JWW and LW would KO Dela hoya but when floyd comes in and fights hatton at welterweight and not junior welterweight you keep your mouth shout.

Im still waiting for your answer . When the fight was announced at 147 where was your outrage for Delahoya being in such a disadvantage?

[aether]

Alright I'll stop then. I'd hate to be confused for a hater.

no, please go on.... which other fighters could have beaten DLH?


pac was having a hard time with khan, so khan ko DLH 4
i heard DLH was having a hard time with calderon, so calderon ko DLH 6

[El Dominicano]

Watch round 1 and 2 and tell me he didnt throw any jabs or tried to catch pac. like what i said nobody taught a former flyweight can ever do that thus somethings definitely wrong right?

The body stops growing when your 16?

[dans]

My $.02...

Oscar lost that fight - because he had NEVER seen anything remotely close to what MP brings to the ring. Oscar's stamina was fine - his conditioning, fine - and I don't buy into the talk that he was "too lean". He simply got beat by a guy that is at a different level. MP's stamina is the absolute best in the entire sport - maybe all-time. He hits you from ALL angles - with power - and hits you while moving TO those angles. Couple that with a very very solid chin, and that's why he is what he is. Oscar has relegated himself to boxing like a heavyweight...stalk...stalk...set...punch...stalk. ..stalk...set...punch. NO fighter can do that against MP and not get stroked over and over. I can't remember the last fight that Oscar was up on his toes and moving.

- TheRef

This is exactly why I believe what I believe. Top five WW's would beat DLH now or on that night.

[aether]

My $.02...

Oscar lost that fight - because he had NEVER seen anything remotely close to what MP brings to the ring. Oscar's stamina was fine - his conditioning, fine - and I don't buy into the talk that he was "too lean". He simply got beat by a guy that is at a different level. MP's stamina is the absolute best in the entire sport - maybe all-time. He hits you from ALL angles - with power - and hits you while moving TO those angles. Couple that with a very very solid chin, and that's why he is what he is. Oscar has relegated himself to boxing like a heavyweight...stalk...stalk...set...punch...stalk. ..stalk...set...punch. NO fighter can do that against MP and not get stroked over and over. I can't remember the last fight that Oscar was up on his toes and moving. When you've never faced a boxer that never allows you to rest, or to get set - and is just strafing you over and over - AND you can't counter-punch...you're done. Oscar had no answers - and it was a tough reality to accept, he had no choice but to acknowledge the fact that there was no way he was going to beat Manny - and was only going to get busted up in trying to. Styles make fights - and as big of a DLH fan as I've always been, I see this to be true: even his prime I don't think he would have beaten the Manny of today. I only care about 2 fights happening in the near future, and shame on them if they don't happen.
JMM vs. MP (Manny needs to make this fight happen and win - convincingly - it's the last little piece to solidifying himself as one of the all-time P4P greats)
or
PBF vs. MP (if Floyd wants his name to be listed with the all-time greats - he HAS to make this fight happen - until then he's just another good fighter)

- TheRef

thats what ive been sayin... but the weight did have its effects, but not as much as people make it out to be.

[Benny Leonard]

I didn't have an agenda, if you can believe me. It was just an observation I had. I still believe it, but I'm getting **** for it, so I'm not sure it's worth it anymore.

The observation is the study of where Oscar was that night compared to where he was in his prior fight at 154 and continued back through his career.
It is wanting to understand what Oscar did wrong. It also lets us in on the psyche of an aging fighter.

It is the study of Oscar and not Pac. But Pac is important because he was the young, hungry, healthy fighter that showed where Oscar was on that night.

Fighters and Fans can continue to learn from Oscar's experience just like they should have learned and paid attention to other history lessons with Jones Jr. and Chris Byrd and many more.

[RL_GMA]

I believe so...

To think Cotto would've been Oscar's next opponent. Geeezzzz what a demolition that would've been.