Oscar wasn't shot or weight drained against Pacquiao.

[QUISQUEYA]

Steven Hawking has stronger looking legs.

[IMDAZED]

not 100% true

first off its not Nacho's part to worry about the conditioning of Oscar it is Rob Garcia's. Nacho worked on the things in the ring and creating a strategy for Manny.

Conditioning-wise they ****ed up. They had him tracking in the 140's far too soon and it showed when he couldn't replenish any fluids and had to use IV (something Freddie Roach has said as well). Valero said as well the camp was a farce and that most of the actual in ring action was for HBO and not for training. He said most of the camp was built around Oscar losing weight. He also said Oscar ran like a girl and that would either lag behind the others or stop way before they did.

I really don't get why it can't be a lot of one and some of the other. The Manny in the ring that night would have given a lot of welterweights issues. He was sharp, ready for the fight, and in peak physical condition. He had great sparring and a great team making sure he was a healthy Manny when he tipped the scales

contrast that by Oscar who mostly focused on being at weight or making sure he wasn't too far from it. The pressure of making sure that he was at 147 come Dec 5th had to have gotten to him and his nutrionist. His sparring I heard was reduced to nothing more than Mookie Pendarvis and Fred Tukes as both Ortiz and Valero pretty much beat Oscar up. They worked on weight loss so much that when it came time to weigh in Oscar had nothing left thus resulting in his body rejecting fluids. Freddie Roach made the comment he knew Manny was going to stop Oscar the moment he saw IV marks on his arm.

Manny kicked ass but Oscar was indeed weight drained

Good info as always, bud.

[boxaholic]

Pac is a beast. He is a genuine nice guy that always has his eye on the prize. While De La Hoya is a boxing Icon Manny Pacquiao is a Phillipino GOD. Oscar had the wrong game plan and Manny had the right one. No excuses. Manny went up in weight and was at a disadvantage. Thanks to Oscars camp ******ity they gave away that Advantage.

[p4p-champ]

And Sr knows defense and training better.

Oscar looked like he trained for Manny with a playstation.

Did you see his legs?????

Steven Hawking has stronger looking legs.

LMAO.....nice. But seriously, anyone who doesn't think DLH looked weak finished and weight drained is deluding themselves.

I think Manny is a great fighter and he would of beat Oscar regardless of weight drained or not but, Oscar looked anorexic. He is done, should never fight again.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

The problem is Oscar is 36 years old and it happens......fighters get old.

[syphillis]

Manny won because he fought a weight-drained shell of Oscar..

Hoya's legs looked like a Flamingo with advanced Polio.


Berastain took a world-class Mayweather trained fighter and reduced him to a dry-rotted punching bag.

Another excuse: because he had skinny legs.

[Eaner0919]

Pac is a beast. He is a genuine nice guy that always has his eye on the prize. While De La Hoya is a boxing Icon Manny Pacquiao is a Phillipino GOD. Oscar had the wrong game plan and Manny had the right one. No excuses. Manny went up in weight and was at a disadvantage. Thanks to Oscars camp ******ity they gave away that Advantage.

Filipino

and the last sentence is spot on.

[QUISQUEYA]

not 100% true

first off its not Nacho's part to worry about the conditioning of Oscar it is Rob Garcia's.

Wrong. It is the trainer's job to ensure that "the fighter is ready".

Think of Nacho as the head coach, and Garcia is the offensive coordinator. At the end of the day, it is Bill Belichick's (er, Nacho Beristain's) job to ensure that all things (diet, conditioning, training, etc ) have coalesced into a "ready" fighter.

Nacho is old-school. He didn't come up in this sport with a Pilates coach, a stretch coach, a pinky-limbering coach, a protein-shake-mixing guy, etc.

[IMDAZED]

Wrong. It is the trainer's job to ensure that "the fighter is ready".

Think of Nacho as the head coach, and Garcia is the offensive coordinator. At the end of the day, it is Bill Belichick's (er, Nacho Beristain's) job to ensure that all things (diet, conditioning, training, etc ) have coalesced into a "ready" fighter.

Nacho is old-school. He didn't come up in this sport with a Pilates coach, a stretch coach, a pinky-limbering coach, a protein-shake-mixing guy, etc.

Please. Nacho was on the GBP payroll -- all that **** flies out the window. What Oscar wants is what Oscar gets. if the HBO cameras couldn't hide the circus that was his training camp imagine how ridiculous it really was...

[Eaner0919]

Good info as always, bud.

Thanks bro.

Another note. After the fight I asked David Avila if he had seen someone train like that where they kept a fighter at weight throughout a camp. He said no but he does a lot of marathons and he says the way they train is similar to the way Oscar trained in maintain their weight around the weight the decide to run at. He said it does have an effect on a persons strength and can adversly effect someone who does not train in that manner especially in keeping weight on.

Take it for what it's worth but I do trust Avila's opinion on a lot of things