Oscar wasn't shot or weight drained against Pacquiao.

[Eaner0919]

Wrong. It is the trainer's job to ensure that "the fighter is ready".

Think of Nacho as the head coach, and Garcia is the offensive coordinator. At the end of the day, it is Bill Belichick's (er, Nacho Beristain's) job to ensure that all things (diet, conditioning, training, etc ) have coalesced into a "ready" fighter.

Nacho is old-school. He didn't come up in this sport with a Pilates coach, a stretch coach, a pinky-limbering coach, a protein-shake-mixing guy, etc.

not every fighter, not every trainer and not every scenario is the same.

Nacho does indeed work on his OWN fighter's conditioning etc

however, if your biggest payday to date is telling you "hey I am going to use my normal nutrionist and I want you to run the boxing portion of my training" are you going to tell him no?

and as evidenced by all the visits there was no head coach like you put it. Like I said Nacho was brought in to create a strategy and work on the boxing aspect and even then he had others like Hopkins and Dundee barking orders to Oscar as well.

the camp was a fiasco. HBO cameramen were saying as much. Valero told a bunch of us it was a farce with no one running the camp and he was left on his own a large portion of the time there

[S A M U R A I]

Pac is a beast. He is a genuine nice guy that always has his eye on the prize. While De La Hoya is a boxing Icon Manny Pacquiao is a Phillipino GOD. Oscar had the wrong game plan and Manny had the right one. No excuses. Manny went up in weight and was at a disadvantage. Thanks to Oscars camp ******ity they gave away that Advantage.

Seems to be a recurring theme...





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[Deja_Vous]

LMAO.....nice. But seriously, anyone who doesn't think DLH looked weak finished and weight drained is deluding themselves.

I think Manny is a great fighter and he would of beat Oscar regardless of weight drained or not but, Oscar looked anorexic. He is done, should never fight again.

I just don't see Manny beating the same guy Floyd fought.


Oscar was trying to take Floyd's head off.

[Deja_Vous]

not every fighter, not every trainer and not every scenario is the same.

Nacho does indeed work on his OWN fighter's conditioning etc

however, if your biggest payday to date is telling you "hey I am going to use my normal nutrionist and I want you to run the boxing portion of my training" are you going to tell him no?

and as evidenced by all the visits there was no head coach like you put it. Like I said Nacho was brought in to create a strategy and work on the boxing aspect and even then he had others like Hopkins and Dundee barking orders to Oscar as well.

the camp was a fiasco. HBO cameramen were saying as much. Valero told a bunch of us it was a farce with no one running the camp and he was left on his own a large portion of the time there

Excellent post...!

[loui_ludwig]

I just don't see Manny beating the same guy Floyd fought.


Oscar was trying to take Floyd's head off.

No. Diffirent fighters, diffirent styles.

[Deja_Vous]

The problem is Oscar is 36 years old and it happens......fighters get old.

Old and moving DOWN in weight...that's a double whammy.

I can't think of too many fighters that wouldn't have whipped Oscar that night.

Imagine if that were Hatton instead of Manny..

Oscar would have been counted-out.

[loui_ludwig]

How do you know Hatton would KO Oscar. Pac was fast and elusive for Oscar, Hatton is not.

[Spacey1991]

I don't want to hear any excuse bull****. I just watched that fight. That was all Pac. BRING ON RICKY!!!!

He wasn't the same Oscar, there was something wrong... whether it was weight drained or shot, or both... however De La Hoya hadn't fought at that weight for many years.

Don't get me wrong I take nothing away from Pacquiao and am not making excuses, it was a great victory for him... but it just wasn't the same Oscar.

[ChiRock773]

He came into the fight weighing 143.... he was drained and dehydreded..

[Deja_Vous]

No. Diffirent fighters, diffirent styles.

You can't deny it was different a OSCAR.

Oscar was a Champion at a comfortable weight when Floyd fought him.

He added 15lbs and came in heavier than Mayweather.


Contrast that to his preperation..or lack thereof..for Pacman.

Oscar only gained back a pound and had a JOKE of a training camp.

Mayweather had a lot more to deal with than Paquiou.