Is Floyd's welterweight run comparible to Jones Jr's heavyweight title?

[THE REED]

I think Floyds resume is very good... although I dont like the fact he campaigns at 147 but wont fight the best fighters there... if he moves back to 140, then he can fight them all he wants...

if he fights hatton again it needs to be at 140... although im ok with pacman at 147... hes proves his skills are pound for pound and he can fight very well at ww

[Pullcounter]

Yea i think Mosley and Margarito were just maybe bigger sized WWs, but I don't think it's something where Floyd has a big disadvantage.

The argument I can't seem to understand is people complaining that Floyd would fight Pac and JMM and would get no credit because they're "smaller fighters", but then Mosley & Cotto may be too big or risky for him? If that's the case, who gives him the most even fight?

IMO, the size issue isn't that big of a disadvantage for either a Pacman to Floyd or Floyd to Shane / Cotto. A smaller guy will have an advantage on one aspect (usually speed) with the bigger guy having the power advantage (most of the time). But I don't believe its that far of a stretch for them to fight.

Henry Armstrong in the 20's fought and defended titles at Featherweight, Welterweight, and back to Featherweight.

the bigger the risk the greater the glory, thats why he should fight cotto and mosley.

[Xplosivo]

yeah there both four weight classes.. only Floyd moved up 20 pounds when he fought at 150.. and roy fought 40 pounds above MW when he fought at HW

it is much easier for bigger fighters to move up, i think you of all people should know that.

some one moving from super featherweight to light middleweight is much harder and affects you more in the upper weights than someone moving from middleweight to heavyweight because of similar heights, reach, speed less affected, less likely to be hurt when compared to a super featherweight moving to fight at light middleweight

and roy jones fought for the heavyweight title weighing 193 lbs... stop skewing facts

[THE REED]

it is much easier for bigger fighters to move up, i think you of all people should know that.

some one moving from super featherweight to light middleweight is much harder and affects you more in the upper weights than someone moving from middleweight to heavyweight

and roy jones fought for the heavyweight title weighing 193 lbs... stop skewing facts

He weighed 198 the day of the fight, nobodys SKEWING anything

its RELATIVE if it was that much easier, people would be moving from LHW to HW left and right...

[javelin_fangs]

I dont make Jones resume out to be the greatest out there... he was more known for going through weight classes than he was for cleaning out one division... When Roy was at SMW Joe ranked at like 9th...

The fact is, Roy fought bernard for the IBF MW title... and then Bernard didnt lose for about 12 years after that loss... Then Roy moved up and fought the #1 SMW in Toney, and the #2 or #3 p4p fighter in Toney... As far as Im concerned, if at that point he moved up and fought Joe Calzaghe ind NOT Toney... then he WOULD BE cherry picking... but he went for the #1 guy at that weight.. and then moved up to LHW and essentially got ALL of the belts...

Ruiz wasnt the best HW by FAR, but it was the weight difference that made it what it was... in retrospect Roy doesnt have the greatest chin, all it would of taken is one solid punch from Ruiz, which he actually did land in round 1... as far as im concerned it was a very good win, especially coming from MW...

And after that he moves back to face the #1 LHW in Tarver...

Im not saying Roy beat every single LEGIT challenger out there, but he has some great wins, and a steady flow of top 10 fighters.. at LHW

as far as Darius and Bernard fights not happening.. I blame BOTH fighters EQUALLY for not making those happen...

Look I feel you on a lot of that and I'm not even just ****ting on Roy for the sake of it. Roy Jones does have some very good wins and I'd even go so far as to say he has three great wins (Hopkins, Toney, Ruiz). None of those great wins came at 175, his best weight class, which is odd, but this is the thing that really bothers me about Roy Jones. He could have stood on principle and not fought Hopkins against over the purse split. I mean Jones did deserve more money, but there were four or five fights that could have put him over the top between about late 1999 and late 2002 and he just wouldn't fight any of them.

Look, Roy Jones was entitled to do what he wanted to do. It was his own career. But the thing is that during the time when he was in his physical prime and when he was in a position to make the type of fights that could have made him the type of star that Oscar De la Hoya became and Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao are about to become he let contractual disputes ruin EVERY potential meaningful fight he could have had over a four year period yet he still fought on PPV something like four times during that time.

THAT is why people started organizing Roycotts. This was during the time when Roy Jones should have become the face of the sport. Instead Trinidad and DLH stole his thunder. Which is a shame because neither Trinidad or DLH were as talented as Roy Jones. But from where I'm sitting Jones brought it upon himself, by not finding a way to make the fights people wanted to see. And it is fair to criticize him for that because he was negotiating on his own behalf.

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Ring Rankings at Light Heavyweight in 1998 before he unified all 3 belts.

1. Roy Jones Jr.
2. Dariusz Michalczewski
3. Reggie Johnson
4. Graciano Rocchigiani
5. Lou Del Valle
6. Eric Harding
7. Montell Griffin
8. Michael Nunn
9. Antonio Tarver
10. David Telesco


Ring Rankings at Light Heavyweight in 2003 his last year as Champion.

Roy Jones Jr., Champion

1. Antonio Tarver
2. Julio Cesar Gonzalez
3. Dariusz Michalczewski
4. Glen Johnson
5. Eric Harding
6. Clinton Woods
7. Silvio Branco
8. Montell Griffin
9. Richard Hall
10. Mehdi Sahnoune

Yeah... look at all those bums who arent even ranked that Roy fought...Both lists are practically Roy's resume.

not too shabby

[THE REED]

Look I feel you on a lot of that and I'm not even just ****ting on Roy for the sake of it. Roy Jones does have some very good wins and I'd even go so far as to say he has three great wins (Hopkins, Toney, Ruiz). None of those great wins came at 175, his best weight class, which is odd, but this is the thing that really bothers me about Roy Jones. He could have stood on principle and not fought Hopkins against over the purse split. I mean Jones did deserve more money, but there were four or five fights that could have put him over the top between about late 1999 and late 2002 and he just wouldn't fight any of them.

Look, Roy Jones was entitled to do what he wanted to do. It was his own career. But the thing is that during the time when he was in his physical prime and when he was in a position to make the type of fights that could have made him the type of star that Oscar De la Hoya became and Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao are about to become he let contractual disputes ruin EVERY potential meaningful fight he could have had over a four year period yet he still fought on PPV something like four times during that time.

THAT is why people started organizing Roycotts. This was during the time when Roy Jones should have become the face of the sport. Instead Trinidad and DLH stole his thunder. Which is a shame because neither Trinidad or DLH were as talented as Roy Jones. But from where I'm sitting Jones brought it upon himself, by not finding a way to make the fights people wanted to see. And it is fair to criticize him for that because he was negotiating on his own behalf.

I understand where you're coming from... However I dont feel LHW was his best weight class I feel that SMW was his best weight class even though he didnt spend much time there.. I think the Ruiz fight is the fight that gave him that aura of "wow" being that he was a former mw champ...

The Bernard and Darius fights cant just be put on Roy to "Make them happen" IMO it was up to Darius and Bernard to accept it, because Roy was the man.. Darius was the linear champ but Roy held every single belt in the division... and as far as Bernard, Roy held a win over him, so Roy deserved the favorable split.... but we could go back and forth on those all day.

In conclusion, you cant put those two fights on Roy... and as far as Joe, I mean honestly who was Joe when roy was at SMW? if Roy fought Joe INSTEAD of Toney at SMW, he would of been looked at as cherry picking.. and its the truth..

There was only really ONE guy at LHW that SHOULD have been made and that's Darius.. and basically Neither fighter were willing to risk coming over to the other fighters country...

at SMW, there were definitely other legit fighters Roy could have faced... but when you fight the #1 guy in the division, and completely out class him, and then move up in weight AGAIN and practically clear out THAT division, I find it hard to be upset about that..

[MACAQUEINBLACK]

He weighed 198 the day of the fight, nobodys SKEWING anything

its RELATIVE if it was that much easier, people would be moving from LHW to HW left and right...

Roy relied on his movement as much as, if not more than, Floyd. Jones Jr.'s complete illegitimacy as a heavyweight, factored in with the adage "it only takes one punch" being never truer than at heavy, makes it remarkable.

Floyd is a lot closer to welterweight legitimacy than Roy was a heavyweight.

[S.G.]

the bigger the risk the greater the glory, thats why he should fight cotto and mosley.

But wouldn't you feel salty if you were to lose to someone, mainly because they are just bigger than you?

[THE REED]

Roy relied on his movement as much as, if not more than, Floyd. Jones Jr.'s complete illegitimacy as a heavyweight, factored in with the adage "it only takes one punch" being never truer than at heavy, makes it remarkable.

Floyd is a lot closer to welterweight legitimacy than Roy was a heavyweight.

That is 110% right...