Is Floyd's welterweight run comparible to Jones Jr's heavyweight title?

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I mean it's obviously better, but has anyone else considered that Floyd may be overstretching himself at the weight and doesn't want to risk losing to someone purely because they are too big?

What's your stance on this, is it a legitimate excuse for Floyd to not face Cotto (though I believe he will retire on a Cotto bout eventually)? Or do you feel it's essentially cowardice?

Personally I lean more towards the former opinion

(I couldn't think of a more apt comparison off the top of my head, sorry if you feel it's not appropriate - you understand what I'm getting at though)

look... if you are campaigning at WW you should fight WWs. if you are campaigning at HW you should fight HWs.

fighting hatton was ok, because that was a grudge match from 140. but floyd needs to fight mosley soon.

[Welter_Skelter]

I never thought of it that way before.. But yeah Floyd's Welter weight accolades are about to equal to Jone's Heavyweight accolades

[S.G.]

Floyd didnt fight trash collectors and bouncers.

when i compared him to Jones I just meant I don't think it's fair to chastise him because he's not fighting welterweights of the standard his opponents down in his natural weight classes were - in reference to Jones fighting Ruiz and not Lewis or someone

I notice Jones is rarely under fire for picking and choosing up there (and rightly so in my opinion)

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look... if you are campaigning at WW you should fight WWs. if you are campaigning at HW you should fight HWs.

fighting hatton was ok, because that was a grudge match from 140. but floyd needs to fight mosley soon.

Would you have a problem with him fighting a Collazo type first?

I only ask this question because it'd really be better for him to fight top 10-15 guys between his mega fights. It really only works when you maintain your activity between having 1 or 2 mega fights a year. Let's just say for ****s and giggles in the next 30-36 months Mayweather were to fight Collazo, Pacquiao, Delvin Rodriguez, Mosley, Isaac Hlatshwayo, Berto, Cotto. Seven fights in 2.5 or 3 years with 3/4 coming against great fighters and 3/4 coming against guys definitely ranked at the weight class, but who aren't really great fighters.

I mean that's what fighters do is they fight. And they can't fight one great fighter after another. It just doesn't work that way. With Mayweather though he's brought such intense criticism upon himself because he always wants to be remembered as the great of all time. So, I have a hard time believing that he could go back to just fighting a normal schedule without people claiming he's ducking everyone under the sun and avoiding real competition.

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when i compared him to Jones I just meant I don't think it's fair to chastise him because he's not fighting welterweights of the standard his opponents down in his natural weight classes were - in reference to Jones fighting Ruiz and not Lewis or someone

I notice Jones is rarely under fire for picking and choosing up there (and rightly so in my opinion)

Jones isn't criticized for that stuff anymore because that ship has sailed. He used to get ripped to shreds for it, but mainly because people wanted to see him lose fights. We've seen him lose plenty of fights. So, his ****ty comp is old news. The Mayweather criticism won't ease up until Mayweather loses some fights. If he doesn't lose fights people will just continue to argue about who he'd have lost to until eternity.

[THE REED]

No. Floyd didn't fight an endless string of mandatories who held part time jobs. He just didn't fight at all for the last year plus.

Ring Rankings at Light Heavyweight in 1998 before he unified all 3 belts.

1. Roy Jones Jr.
2. Dariusz Michalczewski
3. Reggie Johnson
4. Graciano Rocchigiani
5. Lou Del Valle
6. Eric Harding
7. Montell Griffin
8. Michael Nunn
9. Antonio Tarver
10. David Telesco


Ring Rankings at Light Heavyweight in 2003 his last year as Champion.

Roy Jones Jr., Champion

1. Antonio Tarver
2. Julio Cesar Gonzalez
3. Dariusz Michalczewski
4. Glen Johnson
5. Eric Harding
6. Clinton Woods
7. Silvio Branco
8. Montell Griffin
9. Richard Hall
10. Mehdi Sahnoune

Yeah... look at all those bums who arent even ranked that Roy fought...Both lists are practically Roy's resume.

[S.G.]

Jones isn't criticized for that stuff anymore because that ship has sailed. He used to get ripped to shreds for it, but mainly because people wanted to see him lose fights. We've seen him lose plenty of fights. So, his ****ty comp is old news. The Mayweather criticism won't ease up until Mayweather loses some fights. If he doesn't lose fights people will just continue to argue about who he'd have lost to until eternity.

alright. i wasn't really associating with anyone passionate enough about boxing to be so hypercritical back then

[S.G.]

Ring Rankings at Light Heavyweight in 1998 before he unified all 3 belts.

1. Roy Jones Jr.
2. Dariusz Michalczewski
3. Reggie Johnson
4. Graciano Rocchigiani
5. Lou Del Valle
6. Eric Harding
7. Montell Griffin
8. Michael Nunn
9. Antonio Tarver
10. David Telesco


Ring Rankings at Light Heavyweight in 2003 his last year as Champion.

Roy Jones Jr., Champion

1. Antonio Tarver
2. Julio Cesar Gonzalez
3. Dariusz Michalczewski
4. Glen Johnson
5. Eric Harding
6. Clinton Woods
7. Silvio Branco
8. Montell Griffin
9. Richard Hall
10. Mehdi Sahnoune

Yeah... look at all those bums who arent even ranked that Roy fought...Both lists are practically Roy's resume.

this post kind of relates to this one:

Would you have a problem with him fighting a Collazo type first?

I only ask this question because it'd really be better for him to fight top 10-15 guys between his mega fights. It really only works when you maintain your activity between having 1 or 2 mega fights a year. Let's just say for ****s and giggles in the next 30-36 months Mayweather were to fight Collazo, Pacquiao, Delvin Rodriguez, Mosley, Isaac Hlatshwayo, Berto, Cotto. Seven fights in 2.5 or 3 years with 3/4 coming against great fighters and 3/4 coming against guys definitely ranked at the weight class, but who aren't really great fighters.

I mean that's what fighters do is they fight. And they can't fight one great fighter after another. It just doesn't work that way. With Mayweather though he's brought such intense criticism upon himself because he always wants to be remembered as the great of all time. So, I have a hard time believing that he could go back to just fighting a normal schedule without people claiming he's ducking everyone under the sun and avoiding real competition.

[MANGLER]

Nope. RJ went to HW and beat a limited fighter for a paper belt. He and everybody else knew damn well the cred he got for that would simply be for beatin a much bigger man, not an A class caliber fighter. But he never proclaimed himself to be the best HW in the world. He never said he could take anybody from HW on down. It was 1 and done. The issue workin against PBF in terms of criticism of his WW run is his own ****in words. He talked **** about the toughest WW comp then rattled of a million and one reasons why he was not gonna fight em. If he simply stepped up, won a the belt and went back down to 140 where his stans insist he belongs, nobody could hold this **** against him.

[S.G.]

but don't people know to take boxers' talk with a pinch of salt by now?

especially one as egotistical as Floyd