Floyd Mayweather - Return is Rumored For July 11

[handler000]

Anyone who says that there are no legitimate su****ions about the Cotto-Marg fight is biased. There's no way of knowing for sure if Marg cheated in that fight, but there are legitimate su****ions.

And I don't accept the idea that going on one knee when you are being beaten up as badly as he was makes you a coward, especially when we're talking about fighters who have shown far more bravery in the ring than any of the internet warriors who criticise them have ever done.

Im sure internet warriors know if Margs gloves was loaded since all of us was there. But I believe Im going to take Cotto's uncle at his word when he said he DIDNT see or feel anything wrong with Margs wraps. Or maybe it was just a conspiracy and his uncle was in on it... Yeah lets run with that one next...

[handler000]

Co-Sign.. Right on point... these bitches complain but Floyd took those titles away Hitler style... Ran up and before you know it he was 6 time champ. Cotto is not comparable to FLoyd... thats like comparing super nintendo to PS3. LMFAO... And Pacman is PS2 and Mosley is DreamCast... LMAO.

Now that is some funny SH**!!!

[Dave Rado]

Just for the record Arum has issues with Al Haymon NOT Goosen. That is the excuse he used for not putting Pavlik in the ring w/PWill. Now lets see if he puts PAC in the ring w/Mayweather because he is also advised by Al Haymon or was that just an excuse to keep Pavlik safe...

See here:

At one point, Williams’ promoter, Dan Goossen, tried to make the rematch by making Margarito an offer of $4 million dollars. The offer, sent over to Bob Arum of Top Rank, was never passed on to Margarito’s team. Last November, Sergio Diaz, Margarito’s co-manager, told BoxingScene.com that he was unaware of any $4 million dollar offer for a Williams rematch. Diaz approached Top Rank about the Williams rematch, and Arum denied the existence of such an offer.

"We spoke to our promoter about the Williams fight and no formal offer was ever made. I can go on the Internet and say we offered any amount of money for whatever fighter. Bob told us there was no formal offer made — it was just an Internet offer," Diaz said.

Top Rank president Todd duBoef, echoed Diaz’s statements during an interview with Kevin Iole of Yahoo Sports. During his conversation with Iole, duBoef said there "never was a Williams offer."

Iole did some digging and received two hard pieces of evidence from Dan Goossen. The first was a letter dated July 31, which Goossen sent to Arum. In the letter, Goossen offered Margarito "a minimum guarantee of $4 million against 50 percent of net revenues to Top Rank/Margarito."

The second piece of evidence was a letter dated August 4, rejecting Goossen’s offer. Arum tried to make a fight between Williams and Pavlik, but the two sides were never able to reach an agreement. More so than the experience from the Pavlik negotiations, Arum refused to do business with Williams’ advisor Al Haymon.

"Thank you for your letter of July 31, 2008 regarding Paul Williams. After the terrible experience I was subjected to by Paul Williams, his camp and advisor in connection with a (Kelly) Pavlik fight, I have absolutely no intention whatsoever to be involved in any fight with Mr. Williams. Accordingly, your proposal is in all respects rejected and I would request that you do no contact me again regarding Mr. Williams," Arum wrote in the letter.

As early as November, Top Rank was laying the groundwork for Margarito’s 2009 experience. A fight with Shane Mosley in January, a rematch with Miguel Cotto in June, and a possible third fight at the end of the year. Most were anticipating, or at least hoping, that Williams would become the year-end opponent for 09.

When Margarito stepped in the ring to fight Mosley, he was a 4-1 favorite to win. There were very few who gave Mosley a respectable shot to win the fight.

Williams thought Mosley would beat Margarito, but even he was surprised with the one-sided nature of the fight. Williams told BoxingScene.com that Margarito is done as a top fighter. Over the years, Margarito has been involved in a number of wars. Williams credits those wars as the contributing factors to Margarito’s physical decline against Mosley.

“I'm sure Margarito wishes he took that deal now. He would have still lost but at least he would have went to the bank. Instead he lost his title, his pride and $2 million dollars [Margarito made $2.3 for Mosley]. I thought Molsey would win. I though Mosley would win the first seven rounds and Margarito would come on late, but after I saw him taking all of those punches - I knew it was just a matter of time,” Williams said.

[Dave Rado]

Im sure internet warriors know if Margs gloves was loaded since all of us was there. But I believe Im going to take Cotto's uncle at his word when he said he DIDNT see or feel anything wrong with Margs wraps. Or maybe it was just a conspiracy and his uncle was in on it... Yeah lets run with that one next...

Cotto's uncle? Do you have a link?

[Dave Rado]

Do you come in on the ass end of every post? The original post was about Floyd being a *****!!

I know, and obviously Floyd isn't one, but nor is Cotto.

[handler000]

See here:

At one point, Williams’ promoter, Dan Goossen, tried to make the rematch by making Margarito an offer of $4 million dollars. The offer, sent over to Bob Arum of Top Rank, was never passed on to Margarito’s team. Last November, Sergio Diaz, Margarito’s co-manager, told BoxingScene.com that he was unaware of any $4 million dollar offer for a Williams rematch. Diaz approached Top Rank about the Williams rematch, and Arum denied the existence of such an offer.

"We spoke to our promoter about the Williams fight and no formal offer was ever made. I can go on the Internet and say we offered any amount of money for whatever fighter. Bob told us there was no formal offer made — it was just an Internet offer," Diaz said.

Top Rank president Todd duBoef, echoed Diaz’s statements during an interview with Kevin Iole of Yahoo Sports. During his conversation with Iole, duBoef said there "never was a Williams offer."

Iole did some digging and received two hard pieces of evidence from Dan Goossen. The first was a letter dated July 31, which Goossen sent to Arum. In the letter, Goossen offered Margarito "a minimum guarantee of $4 million against 50 percent of net revenues to Top Rank/Margarito."

The second piece of evidence was a letter dated August 4, rejecting Goossen’s offer. Arum tried to make a fight between Williams and Pavlik, but the two sides were never able to reach an agreement. More so than the experience from the Pavlik negotiations, Arum refused to do business with Williams’ advisor Al Haymon.

"Thank you for your letter of July 31, 2008 regarding Paul Williams. After the terrible experience I was subjected to by Paul Williams, his camp and advisor in connection with a (Kelly) Pavlik fight, I have absolutely no intention whatsoever to be involved in any fight with Mr. Williams. Accordingly, your proposal is in all respects rejected and I would request that you do no contact me again regarding Mr. Williams," Arum wrote in the letter.

As early as November, Top Rank was laying the groundwork for Margarito’s 2009 experience. A fight with Shane Mosley in January, a rematch with Miguel Cotto in June, and a possible third fight at the end of the year. Most were anticipating, or at least hoping, that Williams would become the year-end opponent for 09.

When Margarito stepped in the ring to fight Mosley, he was a 4-1 favorite to win. There were very few who gave Mosley a respectable shot to win the fight.

Williams thought Mosley would beat Margarito, but even he was surprised with the one-sided nature of the fight. Williams told BoxingScene.com that Margarito is done as a top fighter. Over the years, Margarito has been involved in a number of wars. Williams credits those wars as the contributing factors to Margarito’s physical decline against Mosley.

“I'm sure Margarito wishes he took that deal now. He would have still lost but at least he would have went to the bank. Instead he lost his title, his pride and $2 million dollars [Margarito made $2.3 for Mosley]. I thought Molsey would win. I though Mosley would win the first seven rounds and Margarito would come on late, but after I saw him taking all of those punches - I knew it was just a matter of time,” Williams said.

So in the article u posted who did Arum refused to do business with?

The second piece of evidence was a letter dated August 4, rejecting Goossen’s offer. Arum tried to make a fight between Williams and Pavlik, but the two sides were never able to reach an agreement. More so than the experience from the Pavlik negotiations, Arum refused to do business with Williams’ advisor Al Haymon.

[handler000]

Cotto's uncle? Do you have a link?

It was originally on boxingscene. Dont know how u missed it but here is the link.

http://www.boxnews.com.ua/en/news/48...tos-Hand-Wraps

Miguel Cotto has come out and praised Shane Molsey for his title-winning performance against Antonio Margarito. Cotto returns to the ring against Michael Jennings on February 21 at New York's Madison Square Garden. It will be Cotto's first bout since losing by way of a knockout to Margarito last July. There is a rematch in place with Margarito for June, but after the way he was dominated and knocked out by Mosley last Saturday night, there is some doubt over whether or not the rematch will go forward.

Cotto, who won a decision over Molsey in 2007, said his ex-foe put forth the perfect gameplan to win the fight with Margarito.

"He did the right thing and the outcome was in their favor. He made a great fight and used his experience and speed to neutralize Margarito," Cotto told El Nuevo Dia.

Prior to Margarito's bout with Mosley, a member of the California State Athletic Commission found a plaster-like substance in the wraps of Margarito, deemed them illegal. Margarito had to re-wrap his hands three times. The HBO announcers continued to wonder if Margarito had the same kind of wraps for his win over Mosley. Evangelista Cotto, uncle and trainer of Miguel, said he didn't notice anything unusual during the fight.

"At that time we were not aware of anything," said Evangelista.
Miguel was happy with the way the CSAC handled the situation and he plans to keep a close eye on the investigation into the substance in Margarito's gloves. He praised Mosley's trainer, ****m Richardson, who saw something strange in the shape of Margarito's wraps and made a commission member take off the wraps.

"He did the right thing. They saw something unusual in the process and ordered for bandages to get removed. I understand that there will be an investigation and we will see what happens. Margarito and his group are responsible for the outcome of the commission," Cotto said.

[Dave Rado]

It was originally on boxingscene. Dont know how u missed it but here is the link.

http://www.boxnews.com.ua/en/news/48...tos-Hand-Wraps

Oh okay, but I don't think the fact they didn't see anything is conclusive. Obviously they didn't see anything or they would have protested at the time.

In the Mosley fight, the commissioners didn't notice anything wrong until Naazim Richardson spotted it and brought it to their attention.

And when Bouie Fisher made Trinidad re-wrap his illegally wrapped hands, Trinidad's trainer said that he had always wrapped Tito's hands that way - but no one spotted it before Fisher.

[Dave Rado]

So in the article u posted who did Arum refused to do business with?

The second piece of evidence was a letter dated August 4, rejecting Goossen’s offer. Arum tried to make a fight between Williams and Pavlik, but the two sides were never able to reach an agreement. More so than the experience from the Pavlik negotiations, Arum refused to do business with Williams’ advisor Al Haymon.

Okay, but Arum also pretended that he had never been approached by Goossen about a Williams fight, and that was proved by Goossen to be a lie; so there seems to be a lot of bad blood between Arum and Goossen as well.

[handler000]

Oh okay, but I don't think the fact they didn't see anything is conclusive. Obviously they didn't see anything or they would have protested at the time.

In the Mosley fight, the commissioners didn't notice anything wrong until Naazim Richardson spotted it and brought it to their attention.

And when Bouie Fisher made Trinidad re-wrap his illegally wrapped hands, Trinidad's trainer said that he had always wrapped Tito's hands that way - but no one spotted it before Fisher.

Okay hypothetically speaking lets say Margs gloves was loaded. So not just u but all the Cotto fans would have to believe Darrell Corley, Zab Judah and Ricardo Torres hits harder than Margs with plastered hands... Margs hit him with cleaner shots than all of them and is naturally a heavier man but Cotto was never rocked against him he just ran out of gas. I respect your opinion but I just dont buy it. It just doesnt add up IMHO.