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  • Rich Loc
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    #91
    Originally posted by Left Hook Tua
    when was the last time you saw floyd land a 5-6 punch combo?
    In his last fight against Hatton. He was in the corner threw 5 punch combo and dunk Hattons shots.

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    • KnockoutTheFat
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      #92
      Originally posted by Makavelli
      may a bed bug infect your left testicle with a purple and gold rash as you sleep tonight
      I don't understand why nobody was on him when he got the ball talk about a lapse in the defense they had a foul to give anyway

      EDIT: Just saw the replay never mind somebody was on him OK that was bad luck I saw it on a ****ty stream anyway
      Last edited by KnockoutTheFat; 03-18-2009, 02:36 AM.

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      • Steak
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        #93
        Originally posted by Malcolm.
        The second fight was more like 10-2. It just like Pernell saying he will lose to Oscar because of bull**** judges.

        So what JCC fought past 30, does it change the fact he quit.

        100 fights. How many of those 100 fights were BUMS and nobodies.

        Should we feel sorry for a quitter because he engaged in a war? Laughable

        please, dont ever try to score a fight again. ever. at least if Mayweather's fighting in it.

        Ray Robinson quit against Joey Maxim. well shoot, guess that makes him a coward, despite the fact he was past prime, past his best weight, and had a ton of wars beforehand.
        dont be an idiot.
        Chavez didn't have great defense, that is an overstatement. Even the tapes i have of him in his prime, he still took shots to give them. He was face first. Why was Taylor able to tattoo him at will and keep him spinning for almost over half the fight?
        because
        1. He simply threw so many punches
        2. Half of the body shots he landed were below the belt, on the hips
        3. Taylor was that damn fast

        and yes, Chavez did have great defence for an offensive fighter. there arent too many people that can fight their way inside as consistantly as he did and take little punishment along the way.

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          #94
          Originally posted by Malcolm.
          That is why he got schooled by Pernell.
          he didnt get schooled, he clearly lost a competitive fight.

          and Pernell did more than just run, he also fought when he needed to, tied up and used angles, and most importantly was able to use his right handed jab to keep Chavez off of him...hell he even fought dirty when he needed to. what he did was not potshotting.

          besides, Chavez was slowing down leading up to that fight.

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          • slicksouthpaw16
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            #95
            Originally posted by blackirish137
            NO, Chavez did not struggle with boxers/movers. this is a common misconception. he had a hard time with volume punchers. He ate up people that ran from him, but yet would fall behind on points against Sammy Fuentes, just because of Fuentes' workrate. Meldrick Taylor did not have success via just boxing, the guy was throwing 80+ punches a round in combinations...in other words, probebly the worst ever style matchup for Chavez.
            Floyd wouldn't run from him. I see him showing that slight but fluent foot speed he showed against Corales. Mayweather at 140 had enough foot speed and power to offset those punches and counter punch effectively while making him think twice about coming in, and Chavez was not a one punch fighter and he wouldn't lay enough leather on Mayweather to do any serious damage. And you mention how Taylor didn't have success at his boxing alone, although Whitaker did. He brings that same kind of threat IMO that Mayweather would because besides being a southpaw, you could say their styles are somewhat similar. Floyd would bring that kind of movement, he would pot shot the same way( although he punched much harder than Pernell) and he would effectively tie up the exact same way thus dictating the pace. What other great boxer has Chavez fought that was on the level of Taylor, Whitaker, or a Mayweather that indicate that he could cope with that kind of hand speed? Hes definitely a great fighter, but if Whitaker had properly been given the decision and Steele continued counting allowing Taylor to get that split decision win, i don't even think we'd be having this conversation right now. Chavez is a great fighter, but i simply can't see him beating Mayweather and certainly not in his prime.

            and yall need to stop going on about the weight difference. Chavez would have bulled Mayweather with or without a weight advantage, it was one of his specialties, and he would have worked more effectively than Castillo on the inside too reagrdless of the weight.
            Castillio was bigger than Mayweather and taller, Chavez from what i remember was even shorter than Mayweather and started out around the same weight class. Castillio was a full lightweight and just because he trained with Chavez is no indication that Chavez is automatically better than him in every category. Castillio is one of the greatest lightweights of the past era.

            Also, explain how Chavez gets a pass for being past his weight class against Whitaker but Whitaker doesn't? He started out at lightweight.
            Last edited by slicksouthpaw16; 03-18-2009, 02:46 AM.

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              #96
              Honestly Irish, it seems like your trying to convince yourself here basing everything on one fight in which Floyd fought with a torn rotator cuff and a broken hand for 8 rounds.

              Castillo would weigh 135 lbs and then come in on fight night 20 lbs heavier, ofcourse he is bigger.

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                #97
                Originally posted by blackirish137
                he didnt get schooled, he clearly lost a competitive fight.

                and Pernell did more than just run, he also fought when he needed to, tied up and used angles, and most importantly was able to use his right handed jab to keep Chavez off of him...hell he even fought dirty when he needed to. what he did was not potshotting.

                besides, Chavez was slowing down leading up to that fight.
                I agree, I should reconsider the word schooled, but change it to "***ing owned". i think that makes better sense

                The only times, Mayweather potshots is against bigger guys. Look what he did to guys his size, he stops them. He stopped even Corrales, a HUGE SFW.

                JCC was not slowing down but was embarrassed by Pernell.

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                  #98
                  Originally posted by Malcolm.
                  In his last fight against Hatton. He was in the corner threw 5 punch combo and dunk Hattons shots.
                  he never even landed a single flush punch on hatton.

                  i had the fight pretty close to even before hatton tripped and ran into the ringpost.

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                    #99
                    Originally posted by KOTF
                    I don't understand why nobody was on him when he got the ball talk about a lapse in the defense they had a foul to give anyway

                    EDIT: Just saw the replay never mind somebody was on him OK that was bad luck I saw it on a ****ty stream anyway
                    lakers just lazy against non elite teams.

                    don't know what it is. overconfidence? lack of urgency?

                    they play damn good against the elite.

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                      #100
                      these floyd fanboys probably werent even old enough to watch a prime JCC



                      no bull****, Floyd woulda NEVER fought JCC


                      that mother****er woulda retired before fighting a beast like Chavez

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