..MAX KELLERMAN Basically Calling ISRAEL VAZQUEZ A Quitter...

[THe TRiNiTY]

Nope. No matter what he does in his other fights, he still quit. You can't just erase it from his record. No matter how many good showings you have after that, you still quit one more time than you should have.

So, if he moved up to Heavyweight, got the **** beat out of him for 11 rounds and SOMEHOW knocked out Wladimir Klitschko, the first thing you would say is...... He's a quitter.

[MANGLER]

Izzy manned up and fought wit the damaged nose for a few rds before he decided he just couldn't do it. he gave an honest effort to keep goin, so you can't call that a ***** move. But yea, he quit. He did so in order to be able to fight anotha day, and he did that successfully the next 2 times, and he was busted up badly in both. No questioning the man's greatness.

[Alibata]

He quit, you don't see Marquez complaining about no broken nose...

[THe TRiNiTY]

He quit, you don't see Marquez complaining about no broken nose...

I love Marquez but...

You also don't see him smart enough to try and outbox him, which would probably get him atleast 2 out of 3 with Izzy.

So, realistically, who seems smarter?

[Bhopreign]

I love Marquez but...

You also don't see him smart enough to try and outbox him, which would probably get him atleast 2 out of 3 with Izzy.

So, realistically, who seems smarter?

Always wondered why Marquez keeps that left hand low like his brother, at times when he should be fighting tall and boxing you can draw him into slugging, not smart on his part.

[THe TRiNiTY]

For the record, I wasn't really questioning the idea of him 'quitting.'

Under most circumstances, I dislike it. But there are exceptions to every rule.

What I'm questioning is him calling him a quitter, then implying that that automatically disqualifies him from being great.

I labelled the thread to draw more attention to something that I found interesting. If you notic, the poll isn't REALLY about him quitting. It's about his overall statement.

[THe TRiNiTY]

Always wondered why Marquez keeps that left hand low like his brother, at times when he should be fighting tall and boxing you can draw him into slugging, not smart on his part.

With Juan Manuel, it's like you have to hit him with enough shots in order for his defense to tighten up. Then he sees what you're doing and picks off shots better and decides on a couple of counter shots that will work best. It's actually quite beautiful.

However, while Rafael can MOST LIKELY do the same, he's too ballsy for his own damn good and ignores it.

[KJB]

Its not whether or not he quit that I have the issue with, its what the modern, immature boxing culture associates with the word "quit". Israel Vazquez is a brave warrior, he would never give up a fight he could win, ever. Its similar to the Cotto situation. Neither guy pulled a "No mas", they gave it all they had, and in that sense they are not "quitters".
So I say off base.

[KJB]

What I'm questioning is him calling him a quitter, then implying that that automatically disqualifies him from being great.

This is what I am saying, thats completely bull****.

[Tha_Greatest]

i am a big vasquez fan(honestly) , he quit, just ask miguel cotto ,