Barrera vs. Khan: Marco - "I'll End Amir Like Hamed"

[Dave Rado]

Dave, I'm sorry man, but I thought he was crap. He was useless against anyone good. Barrera proved that. You don't lose your talent overnight like that. MAB made him look amateur. And man, the Manuel Calvo fight was straight up embarrassing, shouting to the crowd "who gives a **** about the crowd" and "breaking 'em up!", plus adopting a fake American accent when talking to his trainer? Sorry man, the guy is a tool. Anyone can look good sparking out below-average fighters, and that's all he was good at.

I agree about the Calvo fight, but the man was mentally unstable by then. Hamed started to fall apart mentally a couple of years before that, and mentally fell apart utterly in the run up to the Barrera fight, which he didn't train for seriously or spar for at all, according to Stewart. IMO, no one could look good against an ATG with that appalling attitude to training, and as I say, his decline had started considerably earlier than that in any case, so it's not as if it was overnight as you imply, it was gradual. His decline had already started before the Kelley fight.

Tyson looked very bad against Douglas (who admittedly fought the fight of his life that night); had also started to decline before he faced Douglas; and never again looked like the fighter who had cleaned out an admittedly weak division after that fight - he stopped being a boxer-puncher and became a one dimensional head hunter. I think that's analogous to Hamed's career - a sad waste of potential due to mental problems. In both cases, the problems were caused by mental fragility, by neglecting training, and by falling in love with their power and neglecting their boxing skills.

Hamed cleaned out his division, and did face some very solid fighters in the process. Alicea., Medina, Molna, Johnson, Kelley, McCullough, Soto, Vazquez, almost all won by KO, is a very solid résumé, IMO. And I thought the way he was able to move in his early career was a joy to watch; but after he fell in love with his power mid way through his career, he never looked as good again.

[ellwise69]

Timba, I hope you were being sarcastic.

I think Khan's got this one mate, either UD or tko in the later rounds.

[Dave Rado]

I dissagree Hamed was in decline pre Barrera more a case that his competition was stiffer, you say as many people do that we would have seen a very different fight and maybe a different result had a more focused, disciplined Hamed turned up, firstly do you really think Hamed would have come in undertrained and indifferent for Barrera? This was by far Hameds biggest fight. Secondly watch Barrera in that fight, i honestly cant remember him fighting at such a slow and controled pace. So if a much more fired up Hamed had turned up then as we know in the Morales, Mcinney and many other fights Barrera had several gears he could have moved up to, indeed when Barrera did step it up in rounds 10-11 Hamed was in all kinds of bother.

At the end of the day Barrera (at the time) was a good couple of levels above what Hamed had fought before

I agree that Barrera was a class above the fighters Hamed had fought before, but I had considered Hamed to be in decline before he even fought Kelley - long before he fought Barrera; I didn't suddenly decide he was in decline as an excuse after the Barrera fight. And I don't mean that I think that now, looking back - I remember telling people that I thought he was in decline and turning into a head hunter before he fought Kelley, and even more so after the Kelley fight.

As for his under-training and refusing to spar, that is well documented. Stewart threatened to resign because of it - I agree it made no sense, but the man was mentally unstable at that point.

I'm not saying he could have won if he hadn't declined, I'm just saying there's no way of knowing, and that he would certainly have fought very differently and more effectively, IMO. It's not that Hamed would have fought at a faster pace, he would have fought far more intelligently in his pre-Kelley days, IMO, and his reactions would have been far better.

[S A M U R A I]

I think Khan's got this one mate, either UD or tko in the later rounds.

Possibly. The thing I objected to was the "clown" comment. Barrera is one of the best Mexican fighters ever, an ATG. "Clown" is just downright disrespectful. But Timba's a good lad from what I've seen. I assume he meant it jokingly.



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[dumber79]

So if Khan does manage to win, will you give him props for it, or are you just going to claim Barrera was washed up? The answer to that determines whether you're a boxing fan or just a hater.

the thing that bothers me dave, is the fact that there is a chance that khan could beat mab, which i feel would be an injustice. granted, he's beat him, but, i just can't get my head round the fact that of how good it would look on khans record. we both know that if he does beat mab we will never hear the end of it. all we'll hear is how great he is, when in actually fact, he's not. we also know that if he does beat him, it's because he's shot!! nobody can tell me that a 6 years ago mab v's a present day khan would get beat, not a chance. the other thing that bothers me i than khan is blatently ingnoring boxers on his own front door i.e murray or thaxton. why has he not fought either of these 2? think he needs to prove his crudential here before he's starts looking for ( i'm not saying mab is) washed out world legends. hope i explained my point ok!!

[Dave Rado]

I think Khan's got this one mate, either UD or tko in the later rounds.

I think he can win provided he never strays from Roach's gameplan, but I don't think there's any chance of him winning by TKO. Even Pacquiao in the rematch, and Marquez, never had him in any trouble. And Barrera looks fit and well prepared for this fight.

[dumber79]

Barrera is one of the best Mexican fighters ever, an ATG. "Clown" is just downright disrespectful.



i couldn't agree more. anyone who's watched barrera v morales ( all of them) will realise "clowns" don't fight like that.

[Dave Rado]

the thing that bothers me dave, is the fact that there is a chance that khan could beat mab, which i feel would be an injustice. granted, he's beat him, but, i just can't get my head round the fact that of how good it would look on khans record. we both know that if he does beat mab we will never hear the end of it. all we'll hear is how great he is, when in actually fact, he's not. we also know that if he does beat him, it's because he's shot!! nobody can tell me that a 6 years ago mab v's a present day khan would get beat, not a chance. the other thing that bothers me i than khan is blatently ingnoring boxers on his own front door i.e murray or thaxton. why has he not fought either of these 2? think he needs to prove his crudential here before he's starts looking for ( i'm not saying mab is) washed out world legends. hope i explained my point ok!!

Barrera is well past his best, and is small for a Lightweight; but he is certainly not shot. He will give Khan a very stern test, and if Khan can beat him, he deserves props for that. Of course that wouldn't make him a great fighter, but it would be a great learning fight, if he can win it. The fact that some casual fans who are ignorant about boxing would blow it out of proportion is not a reason to do the opposite and pretend Barrera is shot when he isn't.

I agree that the competition Khan has faced so far has mostly been appalling, with hardly any fights he can learn from; and that that is a terrible way to bring on a young prospect; but I don't understand why anyone is bothered about him fighting British fighters who are not rated highly in world terms. I do agree that if he gets past Barrera he needs to fight several genuine fringe contenders who can test him before even thinking about a world title shot, but I don't consider Murray to be a fringe contender - he's been at least as over-protected so far as Khan has (not his fault); and Thaxton lost his last fight to someone who is certainly not world class.

[larryx]

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[Albert Maximo]

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