MAYWEATHER vs Pacquaio, Hatton,JMM are closer in Size then 98% of the welterweights!!

[Horus]

And your point is what exactly?

Mayweather has the skills to compete in the WW division. Its not as if he'll be KTFO after one round. He might be on the small side, but he's certainly capable of fighting at that weight.

My Point is the fighters that we are calling welterweights are not Naturally Welterweights no more if floyd is a considered a natural welterweight.

I mean people say Mayweather has grown into a welterweight... Ok
if that is true.

• What Have the Other Fighters who have been in the WW division Grown into?
• if that is their 1st or 2nd Division..?

[andrewcuff]

My Point is the fighters that we are calling welterweights are not Naturally Welterweights no more if floyd is a considered a natural welterweight.

I mean people say Mayweather has grown into a welterweight... Ok
if that is true.

• What Have the Other Fighters who have been in the WW division Grown into?
• if that is their 1st or 2nd Division..?

Mosley started at LW, Cotto at LWW. Its not as if they started at 160 and boiled down.

If these fighters can make the weight, then they are WWs

[Horus]

Mosley started at LW, Cotto at LWW. Its not as if they started at 160 and boiled down.

If these fighters can make the weight, then they are WWs

thats not the answering the questions.....

if floyd is a considered a natural welterweight because he has grown into the weight like you say...


What Have the Other Fighters who have been in the WW division Grown into?
if that is their 1st or 2nd Division and the welterweight division is floyd's 4th?

Or do you believe that they all stop growing, and floyd is the only one who grows in the division?

[andrewcuff]

thats not the answering the questions.....

if floyd is a considered a natural welterweight because he has grown into the weight like you say...


What Have the Other Fighters who have been in the WW division Grown into?
if that is their 1st or 2nd Division and the welterweight division is floyd's 4th?

Or do you believe that they all stop growing, and floyd is the only one who grows in the division?

Horus everyone grows at different rates. Mosley didn't grow into a WW. He put on muscle and moved up. Just like Hopkins against Tarver. If the WWs you are referring to have grown into something else....well then they wouldn't be welterweights.

If your point is that Floyd shouldn't be fighting at 147 because it isn't his natural weight and he's a bit small for the weight class, then though, Floyd voluntarily moved there.

[Horus]

Horus everyone grows at different rates. Mosley didn't grow into a WW. He put on muscle and moved up. Just like Hopkins against Tarver. If the WWs you are referring to have grown into something else....well then they wouldn't be welterweights.

If your point is that Floyd shouldn't be fighting at 147 because it isn't his natural weight and he's a bit small for the weight class, then though, Floyd voluntarily moved there.

This is my point: The fighters that we are calling "Real welterweights" are not Naturally Welterweights no more if floyd is a considered a natural welterweight.


but on a another note

If your point is that Floyd shouldn't be fighting at 147 because it isn't his natural weight and he's a bit small for the weight class, then though, Floyd voluntarily moved there

If this is your stance...

1. Why complain or discredit Floyd...
   If he fights JMM if JMM voluntarily moved up to fight him at 140?
   
2. Why complain or discredit Floyd...
   If he fights Pacquaio if Pacquaio voluntarily moved up to fight him at 147?
   
3. Why complain or discredit Floyd...
   If he when fought Hatton if Hatton voluntarily moved up to fight him at 147?
   
4. Why Complaim at all if Floyd fights any fighter if that fighter voluntarily moved up to fight him ????

Why is Floyd require by fans like you to only fight bigger fighters if other fights with better records and more prestige voluntarily moved up to fight him?

[andrewcuff]

This is my point: The fighters that we are calling "Real welterweights" are not Naturally Welterweights no more if floyd is a considered a natural welterweight.


but on a another note

If your point is that Floyd shouldn't be fighting at 147 because it isn't his natural weight and he's a bit small for the weight class, then though, Floyd voluntarily moved there

If this is your stance...

1. Why complain or discredit Floyd...
   If he fights JMM if JMM voluntarily moved up to fight him at 140?
   
2. Why complain or discredit Floyd...
   If he fights Pacquaio if Pacquaio voluntarily moved up to fight him at 147?
   
3. Why complain or discredit Floyd...
   If he when fought Hatton if Hatton voluntarily moved up to fight him at 147?
   
4. Why Complaim at all if Floyd fights any fighter if that fighter voluntarily moved up to fight him ????

Why is Floyd require by fans like you to only fight bigger fighters if other fights with better records and more prestige voluntarily moved up to fight him?

The difference is Mayweather can fight effectively at 147 and has even fought higher.

Pacquiao started at flyweight, Marquez at featherweight and Hatton showed us how his level drops at 147. That is where the difference is.

If Mayweather fought at WW and looked awful, people would be telling him to drop down without fighting the elite fighters. But, that is not the case.


And don't put words into my mouth, I didn't say Floyd was too small for the WW class. He might be a touch on the small side, but it doesn't give the other fighters an advantage.

[Horus]

The difference is Mayweather can fight effectively at 147 and has even fought higher.

Pacquiao started at flyweight, Marquez at featherweight and Hatton showed us how his level drops at 147. That is where the difference is.

If Mayweather fought at WW and looked awful, people would be telling him to drop down without fighting the elite fighters. But, that is not the case.


And don't put words into my mouth, I didn't say Floyd was too small for the WW class. He might be a touch on the small side, but it doesn't give the other fighters an advantage.

Being Able to fight at A Higher weight doesn’t mean that you naturally belong there. It means that you are a special fighter giving up the advantages of fighting in your natural weight class where everything is equal physically for purposes of your own.

Boxers have 17 weight classes to fit into. They should be compelled to fight within the one that most nearly reflects their actual trim and fit weight.

The primary objective of having 17 weight classes in this sport should be to determine the best fighters within specific intervals of weight. Not to pick on Margarito, but if he weighs a trim and fit 165 lbs. on fight night, then how on Earth can we call him the 147 lb. champion with a straight face?
Why have so many weight classes if the boxers being weighed are going to make a mockery of the system?

Do you see what I am telling you...

But by your logic

You would not have any complains if Mayweather fought JMM, Pacquaio, or Ricky Hatton because voluntarily moved up to fight him and made the weight!!

[andrewcuff]

Being Able to fight at A Higher weight doesn’t mean that you naturally belong there. It means that you are a special fighter giving up the advantages of fighting in your natural weight class where everything is equal physically for purposes of your own.

Boxers have 17 weight classes to fit into. They should be compelled to fight within the one that most nearly reflects their actual trim and fit weight.

The primary objective of having 17 weight classes in this sport should be to determine the best fighters within specific intervals of weight. Not to pick on Margarito, but if he weighs a trim and fit 165 lbs. on fight night, then how on Earth can we call him the 147 lb. champion with a straight face?
Why have so many weight classes if the boxers being weighed are going to make a mockery of the system?

Do you see what I am telling you...

But by your logic

You would not have any complains if Mayweather fought JMM, Pacquaio, or Ricky Hatton because voluntarily moved up to fight him and made the weight!!

Fighting at a higher weight class isn't just based on skill. Sometimes your body can no longer fit into a smaller weight class, like for instance, Nate Campbell.

If Floyd fought Marquez/Pacman at 147 I wouldn't give him a lot of credit because they haven't proved yet that they can fight effectively at the weight.

You keep mentioning about moving up voluntarily. I used that to illustrate that it was Floyds choice to go to 147 and since he fought effectively at the weight, he can't use the excuse of other fighters being bigger to avoid them.

[Horus]

He might be a touch on the small side, but it doesn't give the other fighters an advantage.

How doesnt coming in 20 pounds over the offical weight limit doesnt give the other fighter a advantage.

What’s more important????

What the Fighters weighs before the fight ???

or

What the Fighter weighs at the time of the fight???


The reason that weight classes exist at all is to ensure a fair fight. Fair and safe competition begins with the requirement that the two men facing each other are the same size in terms of weight.

Imagine if we had same day weigh in's...

Like Larry Merchent said:
"Ultimately what will happen is that fighters will start to fight at a weight that is more natural for them, instead of cheating the system"

If Fighters knew that they would not have more than a day to replenish thier body, they would not have pretended to be a welterweight instead of a middleweight.

If you are suppose to be a 147 pound fighter you should not be rehydrating to 165 pounds..., Correct????

This tells me that Fighters are not just replenishing water but actually gaining weight.



At Welterweight Floyd fights at a Physical Disadvantage every fight, because he is coming in at the welterweight limit and other fighters are coming in as Middleweights...! How is that a fair fight and not a adavantage for the other fighter???

I am pretty sure if Floyd wanted to fight middleweights, he would rather fight for a middleweight title rather than a welterweight title. Where he suppose to be fighting 147 pound fighters not 165 pounds Fighters posing as 147 pound fighters....

[andrewcuff]

How doesnt coming in 20 pounds over the offical weight limit doesnt give the other fighter a advantage.

What’s more important????

What the Fighters weighs before the fight ???

or

What the Fighter weighs at the time of the fight???


The reason that weight classes exist at all is to ensure a fair fight. Fair and safe competition begins with the requirement that the two men facing each other are the same size in terms of weight.

Imagine if we had same day weigh in's...

Like Larry Merchent said:
"Ultimately what will happen is that fighters will start to fight at a weight that is more natural for them, instead of cheating the system"

If Fighters knew that he would not have more than a day to replenish thier body, they would not have pretended to be a welterweight instead of a middleweight.

If you are suppose to be a 147 pound fighter you should not be rehydrating to 165 pounds..., Correct????

This tells me that Fighters are not just replenishing water but actually gaining weight.



At Welterweight Floyd fights at a Physical Disadvantage every fight, because he is coming in at the welterweight limit and other fighters are coming in as Middleweights...! How is that a fair fight and not a adavantage for the other fighter???

I am pretty sure if Floyd wanted to fight middleweights, he would rather fight for a middleweight title rather than a welterweight title. Where he suppose to be fighting 147 pound fighters not 165 pounds Fighters posing as 147 pound fighters....

Floyd walks around at about 165, so its not as if he's naturally tiny.

When Cotto fought Jennings, didn't he enter the ring about 156? Mayweather would only enter a few pounds lighter than that, so no its not a disadvantage.