MAYWEATHER vs Pacquaio, Hatton,JMM are closer in Size then 98% of the welterweights!!

[RL_GMA]

He's not a natural WW, but he's gradually grown larger throughout his career and he chose to move to 147, no one forced him.

The main issue I have with Floyd at WW is the fact that he claims he beats anyone 154 and under, but avoids the main challenges.

It's not even the fact that any of those guys can beat Floyd (though I believe a couple have a very good chance), it's just that Boxing fans would LOVE to see these encounters just to see Floyd's skills against the toughest Welters. IMO he's game, so why not make it happen?

[MaYaN_SuN]

lol Are you serious?

Floyd @ Welterweight = can compete

Marquez @ Welterweight = doesn't even belong in that division. A fight with Hatton would be the limit.

But I don't even think Mayweather is that low of a person to actually try and fight Marquez. lol But this all says alot about the typical Floyd fan. Scarey asses bended over backwards to make points why Mayweather shouldn't fight Cotto or Marg, but now they're willin to bend over backwards to make points for a Marquez fight? lol You Floyd boys are ****in pathetic to say the least..

[andrewcuff]

lol Are you serious?

Floyd @ Welterweight = can compete

Marquez @ Welterweight = doesn't even belong in that division. A fight with Hatton would be the limit.

But I don't even think Mayweather is that low of a person to actually try and fight Marquez. lol But this all says alot about the typical Floyd fan. Scarey asses bended over backwards to make points why Mayweather shouldn't fight Cotto or Marg, but now they're willin to bend over backwards to make points for a Marquez fight? lol You Floyd boys are ****in pathetic to say the least..

I know, they like to point out how Floyd didn't start off at 147, so he must be too small to fight there. Didn't stop him fighting Baldomir, Hatton etc. The can fight effectively at 147, so he should fight the best at 147.

End of.

[Horus]

Fighting at a higher weight class isn't just based on skill. Sometimes your body can no longer fit into a smaller weight class, like for instance, Nate Campbell.

If Floyd fought Marquez/Pacman at 147 I wouldn't give him a lot of credit because they haven't proved yet that they can fight effectively at the weight.

You keep mentioning about moving up voluntarily. I used that to illustrate that it was Floyds choice to go to 147 and since he fought effectively at the weight, he can't use the excuse of other fighters being bigger to avoid them.

If Floyd fought Marquez/Pacman at 147 I wouldn't give him a lot of credit because they haven't proved yet that they can fight effectively at the weight.

Like you said If they voluntarily choose to move up it is their own fought..fighting effectively is very subjective phrase??


To certain extent I agree with you, but


If a fighter moves up and fights Mediocre fighters at a higher weight effectively does that now mean they prove they can fight beat everybody at that weight class...???

When Roy beat John Ruiz at Heavyweight, did that mean he can also beat Lennox lewis??? Because Roy Proved he can fight effectively at Heavyweight against a good fighter.

and on the other side

If a fighter moves up and fights real good competition but doesnt look impressive doing it, does it now mean he shouldnt fight at that weight?
I mean some fighters you just not going to look good against period.

Thats has nothing to do with you, but it has everything to do with the other fighter.

I mean look at Floyd first fight at 135 pounds...against Castillo..
Floyd didnt look impressive at all winning that fight ... but did that mean he should of moved back down to 130??? because he wasnt effective at 135 as he was at 130???

Of Course not...!!!


do you get the point?


being effective has to do with your opponent very little with the fighter..!!

[Horus]

Floyd walks around at about 165, so its not as if he's naturally tiny.

When Cotto fought Jennings, didn't he enter the ring about 156? Mayweather would only enter a few pounds lighter than that, so no its not a disadvantage.

165???? Where did you get this number from???
Floyd walks around at 150..he is a small dude. i have seen him in person the guy is little and he is no way near 165...


How does he walk around at 165 but when he fought oscar at 154... he came in at 148?????

[RL_GMA]

If Floyd fought Marquez/Pacman at 147 I wouldn't give him a lot of credit because they haven't proved yet that they can fight effectively at the weight.

Like you said If they voluntarily choose to move up it is their own fought..fighting effectively is very subjective phrase??


To certain extent I agree with you, but


If a fighter moves up and fights Mediocre fighters at a higher weight effectively does that now mean they prove they can fight beat everybody at that weight class...???

When Roy beat John Ruiz at Heavyweight, did that mean he can also beat Lennox lewis??? Because Roy Proved he can fight effectively at Heavyweight.

and on the other side

If a fighter moves up and fights real good competition but doesnt look impressive doing it, does it now mean he shouldnt fight at that weight?
I mean some fighters you just not going to look good against period.

Thats has nothing to do with you, but it has everything to do with the other fighter.

I mean look at Floyd first fight at 135 pounds...against Castillo..
Floyd didnt look impressive at all winning that fight ... but did that mean he should of moved back down to 130??? because he wasnt effective at 135 as he was at 130???

Of Course not...!!!


do you get the point?

The whole fact of the matter is that Floyd's already had several fights at Welterweight, won and defended the title and it's the last weight he fought at before retiring. Whatever weight he's fought at before is in the past. What matters now is who he fights AT Welterweight if he does continue to fight.

I see the points you're trying to make, but to me it just seems like you're making excuses for Floyd fighting a JMM or Pacquiao over Cotto or Mosley simply because of their size when its obvious Floyd can perform at top level at 147. Roy Jones is a good example of a dude just going to Heavyweight to take a title and bowing out from that division. Floyd was fighting at Welterweight for enough time before he retired to call him a legit Welterweight, so the obvious thing for him to do is to compete with the other Welterweights there. It ain't rocket science...

[andrewcuff]

The whole fact of the matter is that Floyd's already had several fights at Welterweight, won and defended the title and it's the last weight he fought at before retiring. Whatever weight he's fought at before is in the past. What matters now is who he fights AT Welterweight if he does continue to fight.

I see the points you're trying to make, but to me it just seems like you're making excuses for Floyd fighting a JMM or Pacquiao over Cotto or Mosley simply because of their size when its obvious Floyd can perform at top level at 147. Roy Jones is a good example of a dude just going to Heavyweight to take a title and bowing out from that division. Floyd was fighting at Welterweight for enough time before he retired to call him a legit Welterweight, so the obvious thing for him to do is to compete with the other Welterweights there. It ain't rocket science...

That was my exact point! Green k

[Horus]

The whole fact of the matter is that Floyd's already had several fights at Welterweight, won and defended the title and it's the last weight he fought at before retiring. Whatever weight he's fought at before is in the past. What matters now is who he fights AT Welterweight if he does continue to fight.

I see the points you're trying to make, but to me it just seems like you're making excuses for Floyd fighting a JMM or Pacquiao over Cotto or Mosley simply because of their size when its obvious Floyd can perform at top level at 147. Roy Jones is a good example of a dude just going to Heavyweight to take a title and bowing out from that division. Floyd was fighting at Welterweight for enough time before he retired to call him a legit Welterweight, so the obvious thing for him to do is to compete with the other Welterweights there. It ain't rocket science...

Contrary to popular belief I have no problem with floyd fighting Other WW's...
my problem is that People saying he can ONLY fight Welterweights for it to be a fair fight, when he himself is not really a welterweight compare to the rest of the welterweights...

you get my point...?

Why is that Mosely& Cotto can call out Pacquaio and Hatton but Floyd can't?

Why cant Floyd fight people his own size and even smaller then him when he himself is a small dude fighting bigger dudes all the time...


People get mad because I apply the standards on other fighters that they apply to Floyd...but my whole thing is dont be a hypocrite.

If you think it is Cool for Pacquaio to fight Hatton...Then you should think it's Cool For Pacquaio to fight Floyd...

If you think It's cool for Floyd to fight Paul Williams, then you should think it's cool for Floyd to fight somebody has tremendous physical advnatages over...


You get my point.... DONT MAKE SPECIAL RULES for Floyd and not everybody else. thats been my problem from day 1.

[andrewcuff]

165???? Where did you get this number from???
Floyd walks around at 150..he is a small dude. i have seen him in person the guy is little and he is no way near 165...


How does he walk around at 165 but when he fought oscar at 154... he came in at 148?????

His Uncle Roger said he walks around at 165 and he came in at 150 against Oscar.

[Horus]

His Uncle Roger said he walks around at 165 and he came in at 150 against Oscar.

you still havent reply to this post

How doesnt coming in 20 pounds over the offical weight limit doesnt give the other fighter a advantage.

What’s more important????

What the Fighters weighs before the fight ???

or

What the Fighter weighs at the time of the fight???


The reason that weight classes exist at all is to ensure a fair fight. Fair and safe competition begins with the requirement that the two men facing each other are the same size in terms of weight.

Imagine if we had same day weigh in's...

Like Larry Merchent said:
"Ultimately what will happen is that fighters will start to fight at a weight that is more natural for them, instead of cheating the system"

If Fighters knew that they would not have more than a day to replenish thier body, they would not have pretended to be a welterweight instead of a middleweight.

If you are suppose to be a 147 pound fighter you should not be rehydrating to 165 pounds..., Correct????

This tells me that Fighters are not just replenishing water but actually gaining weight.



At Welterweight Floyd fights at a Physical Disadvantage every fight, because he is coming in at the welterweight limit and other fighters are coming in as Middleweights...! How is that a fair fight and not a adavantage for the other fighter???

I am pretty sure if Floyd wanted to fight middleweights, he would rather fight for a middleweight title rather than a welterweight title. Where he suppose to be fighting 147 pound fighters not 165 pounds Fighters posing as 147 pound fighters....

i really want to hear what you have to say about the points i made in this post