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You're stating that Floyd is closer in size to Hatton, Pacquiao, and JMM compared to the other Welters (which is nonsense to me). So with that same mentality, why didn't Floyd take a fight with Hatton at 140 where Hatton was the recognized champion? Because it was for the 147 title maybe? Was Floyd NOT the welterweight champion? What would be the point of Floyd even being at 147 if he didn't match up against any of the other fighters in the division?
On one side you're saying Floyd's accomplishments shouldn't be solely looked at what he did at 147 but more on what he did prior and where he became a multi-division champ. But then in the same breath you say he gains nothing from beating a guy like Cotto who after the Mosley fight was the #1 guy, was undefeated, and was also a WW champ, for Floyd to fight after he beat Hatton.
Or let me ask you this, if and when he returns...what weight will he be fighting at? Sure as hell ain't anywhere from 130-140Last edited by RL_GMA; 03-03-2009, 04:41 PM.Comment
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ok, what are your standards for a fighter being out of their prime?
I mean Hagler didnt lose in damn near 11 years before he fought Ray..
and the fight before Ray he Ko Mugabi
(i will admit, that it wasnt as pretty as it could of been, but lets give some credit to Mugabi, maybe he was just that good that night)..Look all bull**** to the side..
My dad is the biggest Hagler fan I know....He likes hagler more than I like Floyd....and to an extent he even kind of convince me that Hagler beat Ray in his last fight.... but before i go into complete point by point big font argument mode...What are your standards for a saying a fighting is past his prime...Comment
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lol....Why are they over the hill....what signs did they show that it was time to give it up??? Maybe the opponnent they fought in Hagler case with Mugabi happen to be pretty good that night.....
What are your signs that a fighter is over the hill?
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I question for you ****o.
Which was the weight class where Mayweather had his most recognized wins?Comment
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A fighter is past his prime when he begins to slow down - first the foot speed, then the hand speed, etc etc.
But the **** you asking me for? RAY LEONARD said himself that Hagler wasn't the fighter he once was. It's not about how many years he went undefeated or that he actually won a fight while (gasp!) being past his prime! Jesus Christ. Get a grip, dude.Last edited by IMDAZED; 03-03-2009, 04:39 PM.Comment
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You're stating that Floyd is closer in size to Hatton, Pacquiao, and JMM compared to the other Welters (which is nonsense to me).
why is it nonsense to you??? why..what is your argument for it being non-sense???
why didn't Floyd take a fight with Hatton at 140 where Hatton was the recognized champion?
because hatton didnt want to fight at 140, he pulled a pavlik..because he knew if he lost to floyd at 147 he still could go back to 140 and be the man...
his dad was even quoted saying as such.
What would be the point of Floyd even being at 147 if he didn't match up against any of the other fighters in the division?
Please and i mean Please do read....I explain in complete detail...
On one side you're saying Floyd's accomplishments shouldn't be solely looked at what he did at 147 but more on what he did prior and where he became a multi-division champ. But then in the same breath you say he gains nothing from beating a guy like Cotto who after the Mosley fight was the #1 guy, was undefeated, and was also a WW champ, for Floyd to fight after he beat Hatton.
No matter how much you Mainstream Hardcore Fans like to think.
Beating Miguel Cotto will not overnight change history.
Miguel Cotto is not a great fighter...!
He is on the cusp of greatness.., and that is a huge difference.
Floyd did not NEED to fight Cotto...Would it had been cool if he did...sure..
but would that fight make Floyd any greater than what floyd is today....simply because cotto is not a great fighter..he is on the cusp of greatness...
you have to remember He was already recognized as the P4P BEST since 2005
He was already recognized as the undisputed Lineal Champion
He was already recognized around the world the best boxer alive.
He was already accomplish what no other fighter in history has never done
HE IS THE GREATEST FIGHTER OF HIS GENERATION. You can not accomplish more than that while reminding active.! Thats the point.
So if Floyd fought Cotto, It would Enhance His legecy to what...?
"Greatest of His Generation"....?
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He already is....Comment
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So my dude, you are saying that as because Hagler didnt dominate Mugabi.. that he was past his prime...???
Me Personally I do not think Hagler was past his prime before the ray fight.
Ray Leonard can say what he wants to say but that doesnt mean it is true...Is ray leonard now the arbiter of who is in their prime and who is not???
Ali called Frazior all kind of bums before they fought, does that mean frazior was a bum????
I think that this specfic argument is going to go nowhere so instead of going back and fourth...
do you honestly believe Floyd is the only fighter to retire in his prime? and if so, why hate on the man for that... Why does boxing have to decide when a fighter has to retire or not...
Floyd has done something that hardly nobody has ever done.
Walk away from the sport on top, and people cant stand it.
He is like barry sanders in that reguard.
He left when they was no doubt who the best was and is.
Their is no unfinish business, because their are no undisputed champions out there to fight. Floyd retired a undisputed champion. undisputed...meaning everybody reconize him as the man.
The only fight that makes sense right now is Pacquaio. because he is the pound 4 pound #1 fighter in the sport.
I say floyd only comes back to fight Pacquaio or a undisputed champion in a division.
PERIOD.Last edited by Horus; 03-03-2009, 04:54 PM.Comment
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