Stop Overrating JMM!!

[Left Hook Tua]

LOL!! Thats why Barrera is cannon foder for Amir Kahn and JMM is one of the top fighters in boxing at age 35.

that's why barrera was already a freaking legend and been fighting for 13 years before marquez even won a vacant belt.

how long have you been following boxing 5 years?

that's the only explanation for anyone thinking marquez has had a better career than barrera or morales.

[Left Hook Tua]

He was champion before and after the fight with Marquez, so he wasn't that over it. Certainly still good enough to become champion again in a very strong division.

Honestly though mate, if you're going to talk about someone fighting old fighters, you can't pretend that the same doesn't apply to another guy who made his name off fighting old legends. It's just how the sport works.

Trying to make Marquez' best wins seem bad because Medina was 32 is no different than saying Pac's best wins are ****e because Morales was flat out shot and couldn't even beat a third tier fighter in Diaz, whom he would have destroyed a few years previous. There really is no difference. Well, there is actually. Medina went on to win the world championship again whereas Morales got beaten by a hack and retired.

Look at it this way: Marquez is now a three division unified FW, SFW and now LW unified champion. He has wins as good as Pacquiao, Barrera and Morales having beaten Diaz, Casamayor, Barrera, Medina, Gainer, Sanchez etc, and has been considered in the top three P4P of the sport for a number of years now. That's pretty damn good and is not overrated.

No, his overall resume is not as good as Barrera's, but it is very, very close and you could even say it equals up due to never having been KO'd and having unified two divisions.

Edit: Or, just to be really picky, if you're going to list Ayala and Tapia as huge wins for Barrera without saying they were well past their best fighting age and definitely past their best fighting weight, then you shouldn't be saying that it applies to Marquez. You know?

You pick apart Marquez' resume by saying that Medina was old even though it was his best win, then list Ayala and Tapia as major wins for Barrera even though they were by far his best as a super Flyweight and never got close to a title win after the Barerra fight. So, why don't we just not list those as great wins for Barrera and Morales because both guys were at the end of their careers, over the best weight and never even got a title shot, let alone a win, after the fights? Or we could just recognise that they're actually all very close and all have amazing records and have fought many great fighters because that is the simple truth of the matter.

keep it short. i can only swallow bull**** in small doses.

the point with medina (who i acknowledged as being very good) was that that was jmm's best win 'til his recent run the last year or so.

the guy has been fighting since 1993 and up until a couple of years ago his best win was medina? then he beats barrera about a year or so ago and casamayor last year and all of a sudden he's greater than barrera and morales?

give me a break.

no marquez fan should ever......ever......talk crap about joe calzaghe.

pro-marquez guys are pathetic.

manny's win over morales and barrera don't mean **** because those guys are shot but jmm is now the best because he beats barrera 4 years later and beats a 37 yr. old casamayor. lol

to me a win is a win. even if a guy is a bit past prime , if he was still at the top of the game then it's still a great win.

i give marquez credit for barrera and casamayor because i think they're both still very good wins and the best wins of marquez's career.

what i find funny is people who don't count pacquiao's wins over late 28-29 yr. old morales and barrera but wants to count a win over 37 yr. old casamayor and a 4 year older barrera.

some serious bs right there.

[rizkybizness]

what do you expect , rich?

the last year or so is when he actually started getting some good wins.

the guy didn't do much for the 1st decade of his career.

yeah man!

unlike tua, who didnt do much for his entire "career".

[fcastro1]

keep it short. i can only swallow bull**** in small doses.

the point with medina (who i acknowledged as being very good) was that that was jmm's best win 'til his recent run the last year or so.

the guy has been fighting since 1993 and up until a couple of years ago his best win was medina? then he beats barrera about a year or so ago and casamayor last year and all of a sudden he's greater than barrera and morales?

give me a break.

no marquez fan should ever......ever......talk crap about joe calzaghe.

pro-marquez guys are pathetic.

manny's win over morales and barrera don't mean **** because those guys are shot but jmm is now the best because he beats barrera 4 years later and beats a 37 yr. old casamayor. lol

to me a win is a win. even if a guy is a bit past prime , if he was still at the top of the game then it's still a great win.

i give marquez credit for barrera and casamayor because i think they're both still very good wins and the best wins of marquez's career.

what i find funny is people who don't count pacquiao's wins over late 28-29 yr. old morales and barrera but wants to count a win over 37 yr. old casamayor and a 4 year older barrera.

some serious bs right there.

man only if i knew how to give green karma i would give it to you all. the greatest post i have heard in a while.

[fcastro1]

JMM has the best "virtual reality" resume in recent time.

JMM "would have, could have, should have" beaten Freddie Norwood if it wasn't his first title fight.

JMM "would have, could have, should have" beaten Chris John if he wasn't in Indonesia; well tough **** you're the one who took the fight anyway.

JMM also "would have, could have, should have" beaten:

Manny Pacquiao if he didn't get dropped 4 times.
El Terrible if he gave him a shot.
Naseem Hamed if he didn't run into MAB.

It's so much more impressive than guys like El Terrible, who actually owns wins over Manny Pacquiao, Marco Antonio Barrera (a younger and fresher and more active one than whom JMM beat), Carlos Hernandez, Wayne McCullough, and Junior Jones.

It is also so much greater then MAB's, who has wins over prime El Terrible, Paulie Ayala, Kevin Kelley, Naz for the FW title, Agapito Sanchez, Kennedy McKinley. All top contenders or title holders at the time.

In fact, it's much greater than Manny Pacquiao, who actually has wins over prime Barrera, Erik Morales 2x, JMM HIMSELF, Ledwaba when Pac himself was green, and ODLH.

JMM's "virtual reality" resume trumps them all.

another great post!! the truth comes out

[Left Hook Tua]

yeah man!

unlike tua, who didnt do much for his entire "career".

yeah but i'm not ****** enough to proclaim tua greater than tyson.

all the marquez fans talking out of their ass right now would be similar to me saying tua was better than tyson because tua knocked out michael moorer while tyson was fighting clifford etienne or some ****.

[Clegg]

It's hard to make a definite comparison between JMM and Barrera+Morales because the latter two had their best wins longer ago, and boxing fans have very short memories.

Take someone like In Jin Chi. He was a very good boxer, tough as hell. But many people have forgotten him or weren't watching boxing at the time, so Morales probably won't get credit for that win. He isn't one of Morales' best wins, but is probably a better win than JMM's over Medina IMO.

JMM's best wins have all come in the past few years. This makes them hard to judge because we don't know yet how good his opponents were until they have more fights.

If Katsidis ends up becoming a great boxer, then we can say that Diaz and Casamayor were still very good when they fought JMM, because both had just beaten him. However, it's also possible that Casa, Diaz and Kat all fail to win another big fight. Until we know one way or the other, it's hard to be sure how much credit JMM gets for those fights.

[rizkybizness]

yeah but i'm not ****** enough to proclaim tua greater than tyson.

all the marquez fans talking out of their ass right now would be similar to me saying tua was better than tyson because tua knocked out michael moorer while tyson was fighting clifford etienne or some ****.

tyson sucks .

[Left Hook Tua]

tyson sucks .

too short for the era of super heavyweights.

[Left Hook Tua]

It's hard to make a definite comparison between JMM and Barrera+Morales because the latter two had their best wins longer ago, and boxing fans have very short memories.

Take someone like In Jin Chi. He was a very good boxer, tough as hell. But many people have forgotten him or weren't watching boxing at the time, so Morales probably won't get credit for that win. He isn't one of Morales' best wins, but is probably a better win than JMM's over Medina IMO.

JMM's best wins have all come in the past few years. This makes them hard to judge because we don't know yet how good his opponents were until they have more fights.

If Katsidis ends up becoming a great boxer, then we can say that Diaz and Casamayor were still very good when they fought JMM, because both had just beaten him. However, it's also possible that Casa, Diaz and Kat all fail to win another big fight. Until we know one way or the other, it's hard to be sure how much credit JMM gets for those fights.

no ****.

did you see the poll from the weekend about jmm's best win?

90% of the dumbfucks think beating juan diaz was his best win.

really? casamayor win was just last year! barrera was just a few months before that!