Diaz couldve won last night

[!! Shawn]

Marquez traded with Diaz more than he had to IMO, which led to him getting hit more than he usually does, if he had fought his defensive fight he probably wouldn't have gotten hit as much, he showed his warrior's side a lot in this fight.

I was surprised at how much he got hit by the left hook early though, both from the inside and from the outside, he either didn't see that shot coming or mistimed it a lot, he kept dropping his right hand early on when Diaz threw his left hook like he was trying to bat it down or as though he thought Diaz was throwing a body shot and tried to block it, I don't know what it was but he corrected that mistake as the fight went on.

I liked the way Marquez would finish his combinations with body shots or mix in body shots in his combinations, he made Diaz put up his high guard by throwing a shot or two at the head the went downstairs to Diaz' body when it was open, he threw some beautiful combinations.

Diaz was bringing the hook from low like a body shot, so Marquez would drop the elbow like he was blocking a body shot, but Diaz would bring it upstairs.

[FLY TY]

I just think Marquez was trying to figure out what punches worked against Diaz who is a tricky fighter. Once JMM started letting go, I could really tell Juan was in trouble. He slowed down the combinations. He looked slower on his feet. Overall the expression on his face was not good. I think Max pointed it out, JMM was still landing clean punches even in the beginning.

And that was Juan's biggest problem. Even after JMM really started landing punches, he wasnt giving him much respect. I knew it was a matter of time before he went down. And he actually tried to adjust and jab his way in before the KO, but by then it was too late. JMM ate about 8 clean jabs, then countered over top with a perfect right hand.

beginning of round 8, i said to myself, this might be it for diaz.....he looks like its only a matter of time before he goes.

definitely man, the crowd seems to sway one's point of view.

if i could, id dig up a post where i predicted this fight. i said this **** would be competitive for about 8 rounds and then marquez's laser beam punches and experience would pull him through and stop diaz. "Diaz is gonna go down and is gonna go DOWN HARD"

I was almost spot on. LOL

good enough you predicted marquez, a lot of ppl thought diaz would be too much for him. ****, it even looked that way at the start.

[-Antonio-]

Diaz problem is that he is uncreative, and all of the variation he brings to the ring was learned in the gym.

He doesn't punch based on what is available, he picks a combination he learned in the gym and throws it from start to finish.

After a few rounds Marquez figured out what combinations were coming, and he started to put together counters for them. You could see that he was much more comfortable after that point, and his defense improved quite a bit, although still not the best.

The turning point came when JMM took away the Diaz left hook and started threading that beautiful left uppercut counter in between.

Great post.

Diaz throws combinations just to throw them. Everything Marquez does is well thought out, done for precision. You can even see him pull punches back mid combination when he knows they wont land.

[KingTito]

Diaz's activity played a major role, especially in the beginning of the fight. His pressure was troubling Marquez, but eventually Marquez figured him out. His accuracy and body shots ultimately took their toll on Diaz. Experience was a huge factor as well. Marquez is just the better fighter. It was quite a fight.

[Silencers]

Diaz was bringing the hook from low like a body shot, so Marquez would drop the elbow like he was blocking a body shot, but Diaz would bring it upstairs.

That was the case for one or two of the shots, but other times it just looked like Marquez mistimed the shot.

[rizkybizness]

I really think Marquez beats Diaz 10 times out of 10. Diaz is a plan A fighter. He goes with aggression, but that's ALL he's got against a guy like Marquez. He doesn't have the defense to avoid taking a lot of punisment from Marquez, and he can't sustain the pressure he had success with for the entire fight taking the shots he was taking.

i think diaz is a one trick pony like ricky hatton. you cant just say "oh im going to pressure so and so" for every single ****ing fight. IMO, their game lacks the depth that people like Marquez have.

ay, the right hands to the body were pretty powerful, and probebly a deciding factor. I was yelling at Diaz in front of my TV to go to the body more, because Marquez was really digging in from the beginning and Diaz seemed to be doing less of it than normal.

Marquez was also landing a sneaky straight right in the middle of some of Diaz's combinations that I think played a big part too. it was hard to catch because it was so short, but Marquez had his shoulder behind it and I could tell it was a pretty heavy blow.

I had the fight 4-4 I think, going into the 9th round.
Marquez might not have gotten tagged as much, but he wouldnt have done as much damage himself, and I think it wouldve gone to a close decision if he fought in his old style. Ive seen him in his old style, and I honestly dont think its all the much more effective overall.

and yea, like I said, Marquez definately ate him up when they traded combos in the middle of the ring. Diaz fell into fighting him there anyway though for whatever reason, which ended up in him getting knocked out.

but if he could have poked him with the jab into the ropes, and then went in and out with combination punching....ahhh.
but thats boxing for ya.


on a side note, I was surprised how well Juarez did last night too. really landed nice punches toward the end of the fight, eh?

i unfortunately only saw like the last 4 rounds of the juarez fight.

[rizkybizness]

beginning of round 8, i said to myself, this might be it for diaz.....he looks like its only a matter of time before he goes.



good enough you predicted marquez, a lot of ppl thought diaz would be too much for him. ****, it even looked that way at the start.

LOL yup.

I bet all my points on a Marquez victory. I shoulda bet some real money.........

[poeticlsykuac]

I agree and disagree with this. Marquez was adjusting, but in the 9th before the knock down it had appeared that Diaz had already adjusted. He was using the jab, something he had been using early on, and pushing him to the ropes. Both fighters actually made good adjustments, Marquez obviously made the better adjustments.

I don't think that Marquez had a choice on mixing it up. If he would have been his old defensive self he would have lost because he wouldn't have thrown enough punches even if he did land at a higher percentage. Marquez was forced to fight and stepped up to the plate beautifully.

He could have went a bit more into a defensive shell but I think it would have costed him the fight and I think he knew this. He tried to start slow and Diaz wouldn't let him.

Diaz made him fight his fight, even the announcers said Marquez was landing cleaner shots but Diaz was more effective because he was forcing his fight one him. I had it 5-3, the reason being Marquez looked far more uncomfortable in the fight until the cut.

If they finished the fight I think Diaz could have won with his sheer output especially since you could see Marquez was tiring till he got that last wind when he realized he had Diaz hurt. That said if they fight again i say that Marquez wins again.

[FLY TY]

I agree and disagree with this. Marquez was adjusting, but in the 9th before the knock down it had appeared that Diaz had already adjusted. He was using the jab, something he had been using early on, and pushing him to the ropes. Both fighters actually made good adjustments, Marquez obviously made the better adjustments.

I don't think that Marquez had a choice on mixing it up. If he would have been his old defensive self he would have lost because he wouldn't have thrown enough punches even if he did land at a higher percentage. Marquez was forced to fight and stepped up to the plate beautifully.

He could have went a bit more into a defensive shell but I think it would have costed him the fight and I think he knew this. He tried to start slow and Diaz wouldn't let him.

Diaz made him fight his fight, even the announcers said Marquez was landing cleaner shots but Diaz was more effective because he was forcing his fight one him. I had it 5-3, the reason being Marquez looked far more uncomfortable in the fight until the cut.

If they finished the fight I think Diaz could have won with his sheer output especially since you could see Marquez was tiring till he got that last wind when he realized he had Diaz hurt. That said if they fight again i say that Marquez wins again.

its definitely in the eye of the beholder.....i prefer accurate effective punches over agression, so i had marquez up 5-3 going into the ninth. had the fight gone to the cards, you would've had some ppl who disagreed with the decision no matter how it turned out.

[poeticlsykuac]

its definitely in the eye of the beholder.....i prefer accurate effective punches over agression, so i had marquez up 5-3 going into the ninth. had the fight gone to the cards, you would've had some ppl who disagreed with the decision no matter how it turned out.

I got no problem with that. I definitely could have had it easily 5-3 the opposite way, so I do understand. I noticed that Marquez was more effective with his punches I just thought the how effective Diaz was with his fighting style influenced the fight more. No reason to disagree with you as I definitely see your point.