Diaz couldve won last night

[rizkybizness]

Diaz was actually having a pretty good round in the round he got knocked out in...before he got rocked, of course. so to a degree, he was able to make some adjustments.

but its pretty clear that Marquez had way more experience, and its pretty much what won him the fight. very crafty.

its still pretty surprising how much effect Diaz's shots had on Marquez, imo. I didnt expect it. if only he had more power...

in all honesty,the only reason why they had so much effect is because Marquez ate too many of them by choosing to exchange. Believe me when i say Marquez would've been capable of not getting tagged so much but making it a boring ass fight. That's not his style anymore.

Btw, (i posted this earlier in this thread) did you not notice how sometimes Diaz would just stand infront of Juan not doing ****? he was wary of those surgical punches. he was definitely feeling them early on and was wary.

[rizkybizness]

i see you actually watched the fight......diaz got the all the "oooohs" and "aaaahhhs" cuz he was fighting at home, and he did better the first 2 rounds, but after that, i too saw marquez landing the cleaner shots.

hell yeah

JMM was also sneaking in some (almost completely unnoticed) body shots that got Diaz's attention early on

[ßringer]

in all honesty,the only reason why they had so much effect is because Marquez ate too many of them by choosing to exchange. Believe me when i say Marquez would've been capable of not getting tagged so much but making it a boring ass fight. That's not his style anymore.

Btw, (i posted this earlier in this thread) did you not notice how sometimes Diaz would just stand infront of Juan not doing ****? he was wary of those surgical punches. he was definitely feeling them early on and was wary.

Well that's Marquez for you, he's a ballsy fighter. He exchanges with guys when he really shouldn't be risking it.

But a lot of what HBO called as "scored" punches for Diaz, were actually picked off by Marquez. It was the hometown crowd's reaction to anything Diaz threw that swayed HBO. Either that or they just flatout can't hide their love for him. See : Pacquiao, Paul Williams, Ricky Hatton.

[Silencers]

Marquez traded with Diaz more than he had to IMO, which led to him getting hit more than he usually does, if he had fought his defensive fight he probably wouldn't have gotten hit as much, he showed his warrior's side a lot in this fight.

I was surprised at how much he got hit by the left hook early though, both from the inside and from the outside, he either didn't see that shot coming or mistimed it a lot, he kept dropping his right hand early on when Diaz threw his left hook like he was trying to bat it down or as though he thought Diaz was throwing a body shot and tried to block it, I don't know what it was but he corrected that mistake as the fight went on.

I liked the way Marquez would finish his combinations with body shots or mix in body shots in his combinations, he made Diaz put up his high guard by throwing a shot or two at the head the went downstairs to Diaz' body when it was open, he threw some beautiful combinations.

[FLY TY]

hell yeah

JMM was also sneaking in some (almost completely unnoticed) body shots that got Diaz's attention early on

yea, i was wondering which fight harold lederman was watching.......

after the first couple rounds, i saw diaz trying to do the same, only he was landing less, and when he did land, marquez would counter with a 4 or 5 punch combo that did more damage.......the crowd noise was misleading, as it usually is.......anyway, i gave diaz rounds 1,2, and 5.......all the rest to marquez.

[!! Shawn]

Diaz problem is that he is uncreative, and all of the variation he brings to the ring was learned in the gym.

He doesn't punch based on what is available, he picks a combination he learned in the gym and throws it from start to finish.

After a few rounds Marquez figured out what combinations were coming, and he started to put together counters for them. You could see that he was much more comfortable after that point, and his defense improved quite a bit, although still not the best.

The turning point came when JMM took away the Diaz left hook and started threading that beautiful left uppercut counter in between.

[-Antonio-]

I just think Marquez was trying to figure out what punches worked against Diaz who is a tricky fighter. Once JMM started letting go, I could really tell Juan was in trouble. He slowed down the combinations. He looked slower on his feet. Overall the expression on his face was not good. I think Max pointed it out, JMM was still landing clean punches even in the beginning.

And that was Juan's biggest problem. Even after JMM really started landing punches, he wasnt giving him much respect. I knew it was a matter of time before he went down. And he actually tried to adjust and jab his way in before the KO, but by then it was too late. JMM ate about 8 clean jabs, then countered over top with a perfect right hand.

[rizkybizness]

yea, i was wondering which fight harold lederman was watching.......

after the first couple rounds, i saw diaz trying to do the same, only he was landing less, and when he did land, marquez would counter with a 4 or 5 punch combo that did more damage.......the crowd noise was misleading, as it usually is.......anyway, i gave diaz rounds 1,2, and 5.......all the rest to marquez.

definitely man, the crowd seems to sway one's point of view.

if i could, id dig up a post where i predicted this fight. i said this **** would be competitive for about 8 rounds and then marquez's laser beam punches and experience would pull him through and stop diaz. "Diaz is gonna go down and is gonna go DOWN HARD"

I was almost spot on. LOL

[savorduhflavor]

I really think Marquez beats Diaz 10 times out of 10. Diaz is a plan A fighter. He goes with aggression, but that's ALL he's got against a guy like Marquez. He doesn't have the defense to avoid taking a lot of punisment from Marquez, and he can't sustain the pressure he had success with for the entire fight taking the shots he was taking.

[Steak]

the problem with some of you people when you watch fights is you aren't seeing the untold damage being done. Marquez was investing in body work and it was taking the life out of Juan Diaz who was flashier. It's the same reason people couldn't understand how Miguel Cotto who was owning Margarito suddenly fell apart, Margarito invested in the body early whereas Cotto didn't at all. Same reason why Margarito finally fell apart against Mosley because Mosley was rocking his body from the get go.

ay, the right hands to the body were pretty powerful, and probebly a deciding factor. I was yelling at Diaz in front of my TV to go to the body more, because Marquez was really digging in from the beginning and Diaz seemed to be doing less of it than normal.

Marquez was also landing a sneaky straight right in the middle of some of Diaz's combinations that I think played a big part too. it was hard to catch because it was so short, but Marquez had his shoulder behind it and I could tell it was a pretty heavy blow.

I had the fight 4-4 I think, going into the 9th round.

in all honesty,the only reason why they had so much effect is because Marquez ate too many of them by choosing to exchange. Believe me when i say Marquez would've been capable of not getting tagged so much but making it a boring ass fight. That's not his style anymore.

Btw, (i posted this earlier in this thread) did you not notice how sometimes Diaz would just stand infront of Juan not doing ****? he was wary of those surgical punches. he was definitely feeling them early on and was wary.

Marquez might not have gotten tagged as much, but he wouldnt have done as much damage himself, and I think it wouldve gone to a close decision if he fought in his old style. Ive seen him in his old style, and I honestly dont think its all the much more effective overall.

and yea, like I said, Marquez definately ate him up when they traded combos in the middle of the ring. Diaz fell into fighting him there anyway though for whatever reason, which ended up in him getting knocked out.

but if he could have poked him with the jab into the ropes, and then went in and out with combination punching....ahhh.
but thats boxing for ya.


on a side note, I was surprised how well Juarez did last night too. really landed nice punches toward the end of the fight, eh?